Case study of observation

Algebra Level 5

Let f ( n ) = n + n \large f(n)=\lfloor n+\sqrt{n}\rfloor where n n is a natural number.

Let k 1 , k 2 , k 3 , k 4 , k 5 , k 6 k_{1},k_{2},k_{3},k_{4},k_{5},k_{6} be six natural numbers such that f k 1 ( 36 ) , f k 2 ( 40 ) , f k 3 ( 43 ) , f k 4 ( 48 ) , f k 5 ( 2072 ) , f k 6 ( 2115 ) f^{k_{1}}(36),f^{k_{2}}(40),f^{k_{3}}(43),f^{k_{4}}(48),f^{k_{5}}(2072),f^{k_{6}}(2115) are all perfect squares .

Then find the minimum value of k 1 + k 2 + k 3 + k 4 + k 5 + k 6 89 k_{1}+k_{2}+k_{3}+k_{4}+k_{5}+k_{6}-89 .

Note: f 2 ( n ) = f ( f ( n ) ) f^{2}(n)=f(f(n)) .


The answer is 36.

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2 solutions

Kelvin Hong
Jun 7, 2017

I am suprised that I could able to solve this question!

First, when I'm finding the pattern of f k ( 36 ) f^k (36) , I get this

f 0 ( 36 ) = 36 f^0 (36) =36

f ( 36 ) = 42 = 36 + 6 = 6 2 + 6 f (36) = \boxed{42}=36+6 = 6^2+6

f 2 ( 36 ) = 48 = 42 + 6 f^2 (36) = 48 = 42+6

f 3 ( 36 ) = 54 = 48 + 6 = 7 2 + 5 f^3 (36) = \boxed{54} = 48+6 =7^2+5

f 4 ( 36 ) = 61 = 54 + 7 f^4 (36) = 61 = 54 + 7

f 5 ( 36 ) = 68 = 61 + 7 = 8 2 + 4 f^5 (36) = \boxed{68} =61+7 =8^2+4

f 6 ( 36 ) = 76 = 68 + 8 f^6 (36) = 76 =68+8

f 7 ( 36 ) = 84 = 76 + 8 = 9 2 + 3 f^7 (36) = \boxed {84} =76+8=9^2 +3

f 8 ( 36 ) = 93 = 84 + 9 f^8 (36) = 93 =84+9

f 9 ( 36 ) = 102 = 93 + 9 = 1 0 2 + 2 f^9 (36) = \boxed {102} =93+9=10^2+2

f 10 ( 36 ) = 112 = 102 + 10 f^{10} (36) = 112 = 102+10

f 11 ( 36 ) = 122 = 112 + 10 = 1 1 2 + 1 f^{11} (36) = \boxed {122} = 112+10 =11^2 +1

f 12 ( 36 ) = 133 = 122 + 11 f^{12} (36) = 133 = 122+11

f 13 ( 36 ) = 144 = 1 2 2 f^{13} (36) = \boxed {144} = 12^2

k 1 = 13 k_1 =13

I thought about what makes this consequence, every two row leads to something\s square and add a uniformly decreasing integer.

So I recall that the difference between m 2 m^2 and ( m + 1 ) 2 (m+1)^2 be 2 m + 1 2m+1 .

Then, I compare f 1 f^1 with f 3 f^3 and f 3 f^3 with f 5 f^5 , found that f 3 f 1 = ( 7 2 + 5 ) ( 6 2 + 6 ) = ( 7 2 6 2 ) 1 = ( 2 m + 1 ) 1 = 2 × 6 f^3-f^1=(7^2+5)-(6^2+6)=(7^2-6^2)-1=(2m+1)-1=2 \times 6

f 5 f 3 = ( 8 2 + 4 ) ( 7 2 + 5 ) = ( 8 2 7 2 ) 1 = ( 2 m + 1 ) 1 = 2 × 7 f^5-f^3=(8^2+4)-(7^2+5)=(8^2-7^2)-1=(2m+1)-1=2 \times 7

f 7 f 5 = ( 9 2 + 3 ) ( 8 2 + 4 ) = ( 9 2 8 2 ) 1 = ( 2 m + 1 ) 1 = 2 × 8 f^7-f^5=(9^2+3)-(8^2+4)=(9^2-8^2)-1=(2m+1)-1=2 \times 8

and so on.

So, I found a list to find for which k k satisfied f k ( n ) f^k (n) for any known n n

1: Turns n n into n = m 2 + r n=m^2+r which m 2 m^2 is smaller than n n and the nearest perfect square to n n . Notice that if there exists a n n' makes n = m 2 + r n'=m^2+r' with r < r r'<r ,then n n shouldn't be considered, just as those numbers which didn't be boxed.

2: because of every two times of functioning f f , r r gets 1 1 smaller, so first calculate how many time functioning to get n n , called k 0 k_0 , solution of k k will be k = k 0 + 2 r k=k_0+2r .

As the first question, k 0 = 1 k_0=1 leads to n = 42 n=42 , r = 6 r=6 , so leads to k 1 = 1 + 2 × 6 = 13 k_1=1+2 \times 6=13 . Ya, it works!

Continue to solve k 2 k_2 , we get k 0 = 0 k_0=0 , r = 4 r=4 , so k 2 = 8 k_2=8 .

For k 3 k_3 , k 0 = 1 k_0=1 , r = 0 r=0 , so k 3 = 1 k_3=1 .

For k 4 k_4 , k 0 = 1 k_0=1 , r = 5 r=5 , so k 4 = 11 k_4=11 .

For k 5 k_5 , since 2072 2072 is quite large , 2072 = 45.5192... \sqrt{2072}=45.5192... , f ( 2072 ) = 2117 = 2116 + 1 = 4 6 2 + 1 f(2072)=2117=2116+1=46^2+1 , so 2117 2117 is that n n , so k 0 = 1 k_0=1 , r = 1 r=1 , then k 5 = 3 k_5=3 .

For k 6 k_6 , from above status we know 2115 2115 is exactly 1 1 lesser than 4 6 2 46^2 , so try to functioning once, we get f ( 2115 ) = 2115 + 45 = 2160 = 4 6 2 + 44 f(2115)=2115+45=2160=46^2+44 , we get k 0 = 1 k_0=1 and r = 44 r=44 , if we really expand steps of functioning this number we will get 89 row, it is a messy! So let us straightforward using the formula we get k 6 = 1 + 2 × 44 = 89 k_6=1+2 \times 44=89 .

k 1 + k 2 + k 3 + k 4 + k 5 + k 6 89 = 36 k_1+k_2+k_3+k_4+k_5+k_6-89= \boxed{36}

Shivam Jadhav
Jun 5, 2017

first of all let m 2 ( n ) < ( m + 1 ) 2 m^{2}\leq(n)<(m+1)^{2} .

we get f ( n ) = n + m f(n)=n+m .

Then we try to find the value of k k s of which f k ( n ) = z 2 f^{k}(n)=z^{2} where z z is an integer.

(here the interval of n n is [ m 2 , ( m + 1 ) 2 ) [m^{2},(m+1)^{2}) .

We find the below pattern .

hence we get k 1 = 13 , k 2 = 8 , k 3 = 1 , k 4 = 11 , k 5 = 3 , k 6 = 89 k_{1}=13,k_{2}=8,k_{3}=1,k_{4}=11,k_{5}=3,k_{6}=89 .

Proof of the pattern obtained

n = m 2 + p ; ( 1 p m ) n=m^{2}+p ; (1\leq p \leq m)

f ( n ) = f ( m 2 + p ) = m 2 + p + m f(n)=f(m^{2}+p)=m^{2}+p+m

f 2 ( m 2 + p ) = m 2 + p + 2 m = ( m + 1 ) 2 + ( p 1 ) f^{2}(m^{2}+p)=m^{2}+p+2m=(m+1)^{2}+(p-1)

f 2 ( ( m + 1 ) 2 + ( p 1 ) ) = ( m + 2 ) 2 + ( p 2 ) f^{2}((m+1)^{2}+(p-1))=(m+2)^{2}+(p-2)

f 2 ( ( m + 2 ) 2 + ( p 2 ) ) = ( m + 3 ) 2 + ( p 3 ) f^{2}((m+2)^{2}+(p-2))=(m+3)^{2}+(p-3)

f 2 p ( ( m ) 2 + p ) = ( m + p ) 2 + ( p p ) = ( m + p ) 2 f^{2p}((m)^{2}+p)=(m+p)^{2}+(p-p)=(m+p)^{2}

Simlarly we can prove for m + 1 p 2 m m+1\leq p \leq 2m

Shivam, isn't f 8 ( 40 ) = 100 f^8(40)=100 and f 11 ( 48 ) = 144 f^{11} (48)=144 ?

Kishore S. Shenoy - 4 years ago

In the second line of the problem statement, you have "... be four natural numbers such that ". I think it should say: " six natural numbers". The way it is now, I thought maybe some values of k i k_i had a repeat, causing the SET of natural numbers you were looking for to be only 4 elements. Well, after composing f f with itself up to 10,000 times on each value of n n , here is my summary:

n=36, k 1 k_1 -->13,38,87,184,377,762,1531,3068, or 6141

n=40, k 2 k_2 -->8,29,70,151,312,633,1274,2555, or 5116

n=43, k 3 k_3 -->1,16,45,102,215,440,889,1786,3579, or 7164

n=48, k 4 k_4 -->11,36,85,182,375,760,1529,3066, or 6139

n=2072, k 5 k_5 -->3,98,287,664,1417,2922, or 5931

n=2115, k 6 k_6 -->89,270,631,1352,2793, or 5674

At this point, I gave up searching for repeats, and just assumed you meant "six natural numbers"

Update: I changed it to say "six" on July 3, 2017 at 9:25 am MDT.

Bob Kadylo - 3 years, 11 months ago

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