Challenges in mechanics by Ronak Agarwal (Part 1)

A sphere of radius 1 m 1m and mass 25 K g 25 Kg is put on another sphere of radius 5 m 5 m and 7 K g 7 Kg which is placed on a smooth ground. Now the upper sphere is pushed very slightly from it's equilibrium position and it begins to fall.

Now when the line joining the centre of the 2 spheres makes an angle θ \theta with the vertical the upper sphere loses contact with lower sphere. Then find θ \theta in degrees to 1 decimal place.

Details and assumptions:

1)There is no friciton between the two spheres.

2)Take g = 9.8 m / s 2 . g={ 9.8\quad m/s }^{ 2 }.

This problem is original. Also try Solve for Trajectory Again .


The answer is 36.9.

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1 solution

Jatin Yadav
Jun 30, 2014

When the small sphere is about to leave contact, the normal reaction between spheres is 0 0 . Let the speed of big sphere be v v and that of small sphere wrt big sphere be v r v_{r} .

With respect to the big sphere , small sphere moves in a circle of radius R + r R+r . The acceleration vector of big sphere at the instant when small sphere leaves is contact is 0 0 as there is no normal reaction and hence no horizontal force. Thus,

m v r 2 R + r = m g cos θ \dfrac{m v_{r}^2}{R+r} = mg \cos \theta (i) \dots \text{ (i)}

Also, by using conservation of linear momentum of the system in horizontal direction ,

m v r cos θ = ( M + m ) v m v_{r} \cos \theta = (M+m)v (ii) \dots \text{ (ii)}

Now, for small sphere,

v 0 = v 2 + v r 2 2 v v r cos θ |\vec{v_{0}}| = \sqrt{v^2 + v_{r}^2 - 2vv_{r} \cos \theta}

Hence, by using conservation of mechanical energy,

1 2 m ( v 2 + v r 2 2 v v r cos θ ) + 1 2 M v 2 = m g ( R + r ) ( 1 cos θ ) \dfrac{1}{2} m (v^2 + v_{r}^2 - 2vv_{r} \cos \theta) + \dfrac{1}{2} M v^2 = mg(R+r) (1 - \cos \theta) (iii) \dots \text{ (iii)}

Put the value of v v in terms of v r v_{r} from equation (ii) \text{(ii)} ,and put the value of v r 2 v_{r}^2 in terms of cos θ \cos \theta from equation (i) \text{ (i)} , in the equation (iii) \text{ (iii)} to get an equation in cos θ \cos \theta :

1 m m + M cos 2 θ = 2 ( 1 cos θ ) cos θ 1 - \dfrac{m}{m+M} \cos^2 \theta = \dfrac{2(1 - \cos \theta)}{\cos \theta}

Put the values of M , m M,m to obtain:

cos θ = 4 5 \cos \theta = \dfrac{4}{5} . Hence, θ 36. 9 \theta \approx 36.9^\circ

Note that the value of θ \theta doesn't depend on R , R, and r r

I can prove that the answer is incorrect because if you give a look in eq(3)

For the energy conservation one should consider the change in height of COM .

So corrected equation would be;

1/2m(v^{2}+v {r}^{2}-2vv {r} \cos\theta) +1/2 Mv^{2} =mg 75/16(1-\cos\theta)

Lucky Mohanty - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Wait buddy why consider their COM when you can treat both the masses as different masses and since one mass is not changing it's height hence you have to consider only one mass that is the upper spehre.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years ago

if there's no friction in between spheres, I'm wondering how would the small sphere affect the motion of the big sphere? Just asking Tnx Im kindaa confused ;-)

Rhoy Diaz - 6 years, 11 months ago

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You are overlooking one thing there is normal force between the spheres so the normal force is the cause of the motion of the larger sphere.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 11 months ago

Can we reason(without mathematics, just physics) that the value of theta does not change with R and r?

Tushar Gopalka - 6 years, 5 months ago

Great Solution. Can you please also try my other question Bouncing Balls

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 11 months ago

simply brilliant!

rakshith lokesh - 3 years, 3 months ago

@Calvin Lin Sir , I put the answer as 37 instead of 36 , even such small margins are not acceptable? It was a mere 2 percent gap

Ankit Kumar Jain - 3 years, 2 months ago

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YA, correct, but the main thing is box function, it changes the game completely, Cant help

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 2 months ago

For integer answers, you have to get the exact value.

For decimal answers, we have a 3% margin of error.

Let me update this problem and answer accordingly.

Calvin Lin Staff - 3 years, 2 months ago

A same problem but in that sphere rotates too in Problems in general Physics by i.e irodov

Kunal Gupta - 6 years, 10 months ago

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This problem was independently made by me

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Awesome question boss!

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 2 months ago

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