Challenging Potential AIME Problem

Geometry Level 3

The longest side of an obtuse triangle is 18. The range of possible values of the product of the remaining two sides can be expressed as ( 0 , b ) \left(0, b\right) . Find b b .


The answer is 162.

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4 solutions

Tristan Shin
Mar 25, 2014

First, I will attempt to solve the arbitrary case of c c being the longest leg and a a and b b being the shorter legs. By the Pythagorean Inequalities, a 2 + b 2 < c 2 a^{2}+b^{2}<c^{2} . From AM-GM, a 2 + b 2 2 a 2 b 2 = a b \frac {a^{2}+b^{2}}{2} \geq \sqrt{a^{2}b^{2}}= ab . So, a 2 + b 2 2 a b a^{2}+b^{2} \geq 2ab . Therefore, 2 a b < c 2 2ab < c^{2} and a b < c 2 2 ab < \frac {c^{2}}{2} . So in this case, c = 18 c = 18 so a b < 1 8 2 2 = 162 ab < \frac {18^{2}}{2} = 162 . The triangle also has to satisfy the inequality a + b > c a+b>c , so a + b > 18 a+b>18 . The smallest this could happen at is a = 0.00000...1 a = 0.00000...1 and b = 18 b = 18 (hypothetically). So the smallest product is 0. In interval notation, this is ( 0 , 162 ) \left(0, 162\right) , so b = 162 b = \boxed {162} .

Of course, after showing that 162 is an upper bound, you also have to show that we can get arbitrarily close to 162.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

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can't the other two sides be 17

Sujay Sheth - 7 years ago

Little typo: a b < 1 8 2 2 = 162 ab < \frac{18^{2}}{2} = \boxed{162} . btw nice solution!

To get a maximum value (close to 162, but less than it), the equality of a 2 + b 2 2 a b \frac{a^{2}+b^{2}}{2} \geq ab holds if a = b a = b . So 2 a 2 < 1 8 2 2a^{2} < 18^{2} . And we get a = b < 18 2 a = b < \frac{18}{\sqrt{2}} . Think like a right isosceles triangle with a , b = 18 2 a,b = \frac{18}{\sqrt{2}} and you'll know it.

Samuraiwarm Tsunayoshi - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks for catching the mistake!

Tristan Shin - 7 years, 2 months ago
Jatin Yadav
Jul 8, 2014

Let the sides be p , q p,q and r r and the largest angle be θ \theta . Since θ \theta is obtuse, cos θ < 0 \cos \theta < 0 . r = 18 r=18

Hence, p 2 + q 2 r 2 2 p q < 0 \dfrac{p^2+q^2-r^2}{2pq} <0 p 2 + q 2 < r 2 \Rightarrow p^2+q^2 <r^2

Also, p 2 + q 2 2 p q p^2 + q^2 \geq 2pq . Hence,

p q < r 2 2 = 162 pq < \dfrac{r^2}{2} = 162

Bill Bell
Oct 27, 2014

Make the longest side of the triangle the diameter of a circle. Any right triangle whose hypotenuse shares this diameter and whose remaining apex is on the circle bounds the obtuse triangles within it. Thus the set of right triangles bounds the set of obtuse triangles. The maximal right triangle is the isosceles triangle. It's sides are 9 and 9 and they contain a right angle. And so the result.

Justin Wong
Mar 28, 2014

I solved it using the fact that the bounds of an obtuse triangle is the degenerate triangle and the right triangle, that is, having an angle of 180 and 90. The product of legs of a degenerate triangle is obviously 0, and the product of legs of a right triangle with hypotenuse 18 is ( 9 2 ) 2 (9\sqrt{2})^2 , or 162 162 .

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