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Two thin wires with charge per unit length λ = 8 μ C / m \lambda= 8~ \mu \mbox{C}/\mbox{m} form a cross (i.e., they are perpendicular). If the wires are separated by a distance, much smaller than their respective lengths, find the force of interaction in Newtons between the wires. You may assume that the wires are infinite.


The answer is 3.62.

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Ariel Lanza
Aug 26, 2013

We have to know that the Electric Field strength at a distance r r from a wire is: E = λ 2 π ε 0 1 r E=\frac{\lambda }{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1}{r}

We also have know that: F = E q F=E \cdot q

To solve this problem we will first take the first wire as fixed and we will find all the forces acting on the second wire (meaning forces due to the electric field of the first wire). To find the solution we have to add only the components of those forces that are perpendicular to the second wire.

A scheme will be helpful to understand:

Useful image for understanding: there is a Cartesian plane and a red spot on the y axes representing a wire Useful image for understanding: there is a Cartesian plane and a red spot on the y axes representing a wire

We can see a Cartesian plane. The second wire lies along the x x -axis, while the red spot on the y y -axis represents the first wire, that is perpendicular to the plane.

Firstly we have to find the force on every arbitrarily small part of the second wire due to the electric field of the first wire. We will call δ x \delta x an arbitrarily small part of the second wire (painted in purple in the scheme) and x x will be its distance from the origin. h h will be the distance between the wires. The distance between δ x \delta x and the first wire is: h 2 + x 2 \sqrt{h^2+x^2} Therefore the electric field in δ x \delta x is: λ 2 π ε 0 1 h 2 + x 2 \frac{\lambda }{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2}} The charge in δ x \delta x is: λ δ x \lambda \cdot \delta x Therefore the force acting on δ x \delta x is: λ 2 2 π ε 0 1 h 2 + x 2 δ x \frac{\lambda ^2}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2}} \delta x

We need to find the component of this force that is perpendicular to the second wire. It is: λ 2 2 π ε 0 1 h 2 + x 2 cos θ δ x \frac{\lambda ^2}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2}} \cdot \cos{\theta} \quad \delta x From the scheme we see that: cos θ = h h 2 + x 2 \cos{\theta}=\frac{ h }{ \sqrt{h^2+x^2} } Therefore the requested perpendicular component is (painted in yellow in the scheme): F = λ 2 h 2 π ε 0 1 h 2 + x 2 δ x F_{\perp}=\frac{\lambda ^2 h}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1}{h^2+x^2} \delta x

Now we have to add up all these forces, and we can do it by evaluating the integral: + λ 2 h 2 π ε 0 1 h 2 + x 2 d x = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \frac{\lambda ^2 h}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{1}{h^2+x^2} dx = λ 2 h 2 π ε 0 + 1 h 2 + x 2 d x = \frac{\lambda ^2 h}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{h^2+x^2} dx = λ 2 h 2 π ε 0 + 1 h 2 + x 2 d x = \frac{\lambda ^2 h}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{h^2+x^2} dx = λ 2 h 2 π ε 0 tan 1 ( x h ) h + = \frac{\lambda ^2 h}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \left.\frac{\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{x}{h}\right)}{h}\right|_{-\infty}^{+\infty} = λ 2 h 2 π ε 0 π h = λ 2 2 ε 0 \frac{\lambda ^2 h}{2 \pi \varepsilon_0}\cdot \frac{\pi}{h} =\frac{\lambda ^2 }{2 \varepsilon_0}

We can see that the result does not depend on the distance between the wires.

Substituting 8 1 0 6 8\cdot 10^{-6} we obtain as a result: 3.6141 \fbox{3.6141}

Brilliant solution! I can't imagine how much amount of time and energy you might have spent writing such a fantastic and clear solution! Well done!

Adithyan RK - 7 years, 9 months ago

Exactly how I did it!

Alex Benfield - 7 years, 9 months ago

This calculated the force on the second wire due to the first wire. Why don't we also have to find the force on the first wire due to the second wire, and add them up to find the total force between the wires?

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 9 months ago

by newton's third law, F of 1 on 2 = - F of 2 on 1; the magnitude are the same, so we can consider only one

Robertson Esperanza - 7 years, 6 months ago
Meet Udeshi
Dec 18, 2013

Consider n ^ \hat n to be the common normal vector to both the wires, a a to be the distance between the two wires, and θ \theta the angle which the radius vector, r \vec r , of an infinitesimal length d x dx on the wire 2 2 , makes with n ^ \hat n

We can say that the length d x dx will be at a distance x = a tan θ x=a\tan\theta from the intersection of wire 2 2 with n ^ \hat n . Thus d x = a sec 2 θ d θ dx=a\sec^2\theta d\theta

The force due to wire 1 1 on length d x dx is d F = λ 2 π ϵ 0 r λ a sec 2 θ d θ dF=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_0 r} \lambda a\sec^2 \theta\ d\theta We can observe that the horizontal component of this force(Considering n ^ \hat n as vertical direction) will cancel out when considering the net force on the whole of wire 2 2 , by symmetry. So we simply need to sum the vertical components. Thus F t o t a l = θ = 0 θ = π d F cos θ F_{total}=\int^{\theta=\pi}_{\theta=0} dF\cos\theta F t o t a l = θ = 0 θ = π λ 2 π ϵ 0 r λ a sec 2 θ d θ cos θ F_{total}=\int^{\theta=\pi}_{\theta=0} \frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_0 r} \lambda a\sec^2 \theta\ d\theta \cos\theta F t o t a l = θ = 0 θ = π λ 2 π ϵ 0 r cos θ λ a d θ F_{total}=\int^{\theta=\pi}_{\theta=0} \frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_0 r\cos\theta} \lambda a\ d\theta Substituting r cos θ = a r\cos\theta=a , F t o t a l = θ = 0 θ = π λ 2 π ϵ 0 a λ a d θ F_{total}=\int^{\theta=\pi}_{\theta=0} \frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_0 a} \lambda a\ d\theta F t o t a l = λ 2 2 ϵ 0 F_{total}= \frac{\lambda^2}{2\epsilon_0 }

did u do it of ur own..??? meet...

Sayan Bhattacharya - 7 years, 5 months ago

what do you mean?

Meet Udeshi - 7 years, 5 months ago

Calculus shows its importance...

Aditya Dutta - 7 years, 4 months ago

One of the wires creates a field of the strength E = λ 2 π r ε 0 r ^ \mathbf{E}=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi r\varepsilon_0}\hat{\mathbf{r}} . This field acts on the other wire with the net force of F = E λ d x \mathbf{F}=\int{\mathbf{E}\lambda\,\mathrm{d}x} , where x x axis is along the second wire.

For symmetry reasons only the component of the force which is orthogonal to both wires will remain. Substituting and taking into account that F z = F a r F_z=F\frac a r , where a a is the distance between the wires, we get

F z = a λ 2 2 π ε 0 1 a 2 + x 2 d x = τ 2 2 ε 0 = 3.62 N F_z = \frac{a\lambda^2}{2\pi\varepsilon_0}\int_{-\infty}^\infty{\frac{1}{a^2+x^2}\,\mathrm{d}x}=\frac{\tau^2}{2\varepsilon_0}=3.62\,\mathrm{N} .

Shubham Maurya
Dec 17, 2013

Since, Electric field due to a uniformly charged rod at a point perpendicular to it at a distance 'r' midway is E = 2Kג/r So, force on an elemental length of the other rod (considering horizontal components, since vertical component of force cancels due to symmetry) dF = dq*E = 2Kגdq/r Since, dq = גdx so, dF = 2K\sqr{ג}dx/r Now, by Pythagoras theorem r = \sqrt{x^2+k^2} where 'x' is the distance of element from midpoint of rod and 'k' is the shortest distance between two rods So, total force on rod can be obtained by integrating dF by taking limits from -∞ to +∞

Nhat Le
Aug 28, 2013

To visualize the two wires, let wire 1 run into the page, and wire 2 run horizontally on top of wire 1 when drawn on paper. We will find the force experienced by wire 2. This force will be given by F = Σ ( E p e r p Δ q ) F= \Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta q) , where Δ q \Delta q is a small charge element on wire 2, and E p e r p E_{perp} is the component of the electric field perpendicular to the wire (we know that there is no horizontal force due to the symmetry).

Now we will construct an infinitely long cuboid which extends horizontally, with wire 2 as one of its sides.The width of the cuboid is twice the separation of the wires (so that the cuboid is symmetrical about wire 1), and the breadth is an infinitesimal amount Δ w \Delta w . We will apply Gauss's Law on this surface we constructed.

Now the electric flux through the surface of the cuboid will only be due to the top and bottom surfaces. This is given by 2 Σ ( E p e r p Δ A ) = 2 Σ ( E p e r p Δ l Δ w ) 2\Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta A) = 2\Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta l \Delta w) . The charge enclosed is the charge of wire 1 enclosed in the cuboid, which is λ Δ w \lambda\Delta w . Therefore, by Gauss' Law:

2 Σ ( E p e r p Δ w Δ l ) = λ Δ w ϵ 0 2\Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta w \Delta l) =\frac{\lambda\Delta w}{\epsilon _0}

Simplifying, Σ ( E p e r p Δ l ) = λ 2 ϵ 0 \Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta l) =\frac{\lambda}{2\epsilon _0}

What we want is F = Σ ( E p e r p Δ q ) F= \Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta q) , so we note that: F = Σ ( E p e r p Δ q ) = Σ ( E p e r p λ Δ l ) F= \Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta q)=\Sigma (E_{perp} \lambda \Delta l)

Thus, we get F = λ Σ ( E p e r p Δ l ) = λ 2 2 ϵ 0 F=\lambda \Sigma (E_{perp} \Delta l)= \frac{\lambda ^2}{2\epsilon _0}

Substituting the values, F = ( 8 × 1 0 6 ) 2 2 × ( 8.85 × 1 0 12 ) = 3.62 N F=\frac{(8\times10^{-6})^2}{2 \times (8.85 \times10^{-12})}=3.62 \mathrm{ N}

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