Charging slinky

Two charged non-conducting spheres, each with charge 1 μ C \mu\text{C} , are placed at the end of a non-conducting spring of natural length 0.1 m and spring constant 1000 N/m. What is the distance the spring is stretched when it comes to rest in m ?

Details and assumptions

  • The electrostatic constant is 9 × 1 0 9 Nm 2 / C 2 9 \times 10^9~\text{Nm}^2/\text{C}^2 .


The answer is 0.0009.

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3 solutions

Akshat Mallya
Jan 20, 2014

As we know,

The electrostatic force of repulsion between the two charged balls will be

K q 1 q 2 r 2 = 0.9 N \frac{Kq_{1}q_{2}}{r^2}=0.9N

And, by Hooke's Law, F = k x F=kx

(where F is the force, k is the spring constant, x is the displacement)

Here, F=0.9N and k(spring const.)=1000N/m

Hence x = F k x=\frac{F}{k}

= 9 × 1 0 4 m =\boxed{9 \times 10^{-4} m}

By displacement I mean extension from equilibrium position :)

akshat mallya - 7 years, 4 months ago

I think you're wrong. Please take a look my solution as a comparison. :)

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 4 months ago

i did exactly the same....

Max B - 7 years, 1 month ago

ya ,i got it as 0.000884 too

Vipul Sourav - 7 years, 1 month ago

This solution is wrong, because you don't let the string stretch when you calculate the Coulomb force (it is no longer 0.9 N after repulsion, because r changed).

Tom Van Lier - 6 years, 6 months ago

How can you consider the force of repulsion to be constant

rahul singh - 5 years ago

Wrong solution

rahul singh - 5 years ago
Tunk-Fey Ariawan
Feb 6, 2014

Let F c F_c be the electrostatic force of interaction between two charged non-conducting spheres, F s F_s be the elastic force of spring, and x \,x be the extension of spring. At the equilibrium state, by applying Newton 1 s t \,1^{st} Law, we obtain F = 0 F c F s = 0 F s = F c k s x = k e q 2 ( 0.1 + x ) 2 1000 x = 9 × 1 0 9 ( 1 × 1 0 6 ) 2 ( 0.1 + x ) 2 1000 x ( 0.1 + x ) 2 0.009 = 0 \begin{aligned} \sum F&=0\\ F_c-F_s&=0\\ F_s&=F_c\\ k_sx&=\frac{k_e q^2}{(0.1+x)^2}\\ 1000x&=\frac{9\times 10^9\cdot (1\times10^{-6})^2}{(0.1+x)^2}\\ 1000x(0.1+x)^2-0.009&=0 \end{aligned} Truth be told, I use numerical approach to solve the polynomial. By using Newton-Raphson iterative method at x 0 = 0.1 x_0 = 0.1 , we will obtain the 'exact' solution x = 0.000884291424478334 m x=\boxed{0.000884291424478334\;\text{m}} only in 8 iteration. # Q . E . D . # \text{\# }\mathbb{Q}.\mathbb{E}.\mathbb{D}.\text{\#}

Notice that , you don't need a special program for solving the last equation. I solved this polynomial only using Ms. Excel spreadsheet.

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 4 months ago

I understand the reasoning, but I don't get why conservation of energy doesn't work.

I equated : electric potential energy of the pair after separation + elastic potential energy in the spring = electric potential energy of the pair before separation (at 0.1m)

The only thing I can think of is that this question doesn't ignore friction and some of the initial energy is dissipated while the spring expands.

Tom Van Lier - 6 years, 6 months ago
Kyle Gettig
Dec 28, 2013

Suppose, at equilibrium, the spring has length d d . Since the spheres are non-conducting and everything is external, the spheres can be seen as point charges. Therefore, Coulomb's Law says that the force between the two charges is k Q 1 Q 2 d 2 \frac{kQ_1Q_2}{d^2} , where Q 1 Q_1 and Q 2 Q_2 are the two charges and k e k_e is Coulomb's constant (the electrostatic constant). Since the charges have the same sign, they repel each other, so this force pulls on both sides of the spring.

Now, from Hooke's Law, the restoring force of the spring is k ( d x ) k(d-x) , where k k is the spring constant. This also acts at both ends of the spring, so this restoring force must be equal in magnitude to the repelling force on each of the spheres.

Therefore,

k e Q 1 Q 2 d 2 = k ( d x ) \frac{k_eQ_1Q_2}{d^2}=k(d-x)

Substituting k e = 9 × 1 0 9 , Q 1 = Q 2 = 1.0 × 1 0 6 , k = 1000 , x = 0.1 k_e=9\times10^9, Q_1=Q_2=1.0\times10^{-6}, k=1000, x=0.1 and solving the cubic with a calculator, we get the final result d = 0.100884 m d=0.100884 m , so the sprint stretched 0.000884 m \boxed{0.000884 m} .

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