Circle Cutting an Equilateral Triangle

Geometry Level 5

A circle Γ \Gamma cuts the sides of a equilateral triangle A B C ABC at 6 6 distinct points. Specifically, Γ \Gamma intersects A B AB at points D D and E E such that A , D , E , B A, D, E, B lie in order. Γ \Gamma intersects B C BC at points F F and G G such that B , F , G , C B, F, G, C lie in order. Γ \Gamma intersects C A CA at points H H and I I such that C , H , I , A C, H, I, A lie in order. If A D = 3 |AD| =3 , D E = 39 |DE| =39 , E B = 6 |EB| = 6 and F G = 21 |FG| = 21 , what is the value of H I 2 |HI|^2 ?

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|\cdot| notation denotes the straight line distance between points and not the arc length distance.


The answer is 792.

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Leo Lai
May 20, 2014

The side length of the equilateral triangle is 3+39+6=48. The power of A with respect to Γ \Gamma is A D A E = 3 ( 3 + 39 ) = 136 AD\cdot AE=3(3+39)=136 . The power of B with respect to Γ \Gamma is B D B E = ( 39 + 6 ) 6 = 270 BD\cdot BE=(39+6)6=270 . Let B F = x BF=x , then by the power of a point theorem, B F B G = 270 BF\cdot BG=270 , so x ( x + 21 ) = 270 x(x+21)=270 . The only positive solution is x = 9 x=9 . Since the side length is 48, C G = 48 21 9 = 18 CG=48-21-9=18 . Therefore, the power of C with respect to Γ \Gamma is C G C F = 18 ( 18 + 21 ) = 702 CG\cdot CF=18(18+21)=702 .

Let A I = a , C H = b AI=a,\ CH=b , then by power of a point theorem a ( 48 b ) = 136 b ( 48 a ) = 702 a(48-b)=136\qquad b(48-a)=702 Subtract those two equations and divide by 48 to get b a = 12 b-a=12 . Substitute this into the first equation to get a quadratic in a a . The quadratic equation has solutions a = 18 ± 3 22 a=18\pm 3\sqrt{22} , so b = 30 ± 3 22 b=30\pm 3\sqrt{22} . Since a + b < 48 a+b<48 , the solution with the negative sign is taken, giving H I = 48 a b = 6 22 HI=48-a-b=6\sqrt{22} . Therefore H I 2 = 792 |HI|^2=792 .

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Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

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You'll get H I = ± 6 22 |HI| = \pm 6\sqrt{22} , directly!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago
Jonathan Yu
May 20, 2014

By Power of Point with respect to point B B , we have that B E B D = B F B G BE \cdot BD = BF \cdot BG , so 6 45 = B F ( B F + 21 ) 6\cdot45 = BF(BF+21) . It is easy to verify that the only positive solution is B F = 9 BF = 9 . Because A B C \triangle ABC is equilateral, we have that A B = 3 + 39 + 6 = B C = 9 + 21 + G C AB = 3+39+6 = BC = 9 + 21 + GC , so the side length of A B C \triangle ABC is 48 48 and G C = 18 GC = 18 .

Let A I = a AI = a , H I = b HI = b , and C H = c CH = c . By Power of Point with respect to points A A and C C , we obtain: a ( a + b ) = 3 ( 3 + 39 ) = 3 ( 42 ) = 126 a(a+b) = 3(3+39) = 3(42) = 126 and c ( b + c ) = 18 ( 18 + 21 ) = 18 ( 39 ) = 702 c(b+c) = 18(18+21) = 18(39) = 702 . Note that a + b + c = 48 a+b+c = 48 , so we can rewrite the two equations as: a ( 48 c ) = 126 a(48-c) = 126 and c ( 48 a ) = 702 c(48-a) = 702 .

Expanding both, we obtain 48 a a c = 126 48a - ac = 126 and 48 c a c = 702 48c - ac = 702 . Subtracting the two equations and dividing by 48 48 , we obtain c a = 12 c-a = 12 , and so c = a + 12 c = a + 12 and a = c 12 a = c - 12 .

Plugging in c = a + 12 c = a + 12 into a ( 48 c ) = 126 a(48-c) = 126 gives a ( 36 a ) = 126 a(36-a) = 126 , or a 2 36 a + 126 = 0 a^2 - 36a + 126 = 0 . By the quadratic formula, a = 36 ± 792 2 a = \frac{36 \pm\sqrt{792}}{2} .

Plugging in a = c 12 a = c - 12 into c ( 48 a ) = 702 c(48-a) = 702 gives c ( 60 c ) = 702 c(60-c) = 702 , or c 2 60 c + 702 = 0 c^2 - 60c + 702 = 0 . By the quadratic formula, c = 60 ± 792 2 c = \frac{60 \pm \sqrt{792}}{2} .

Now consider these ± \pm 's. It is easy to verify that both must be negative because a + c < 48 a+c < 48 . Therefore, a = 36 792 2 a = \frac{36 - \sqrt{792}}{2} and c = 60 792 2 c = \frac{60 - \sqrt{792}}{2} . Then b = 48 a b = 792 b = 48 - a - b = \sqrt{792} , so the desired answer is H I 2 = b 2 = 792 HI^2 = b^2 = 792 .

Hero P.
Aug 8, 2013

Note A B = A D + D E + E B = 3 + 39 + 6 = 48 AB = AD + DE + EB = 3+39+6 = 48 , which is the side length of equilateral A B C \triangle ABC . By the secant theorem, B F B G = B E B D = 6 ( 6 + 39 ) , BF \cdot BG = BE \cdot BD = 6(6+39), so B F ( B F + 21 ) 270 = ( B F + 30 ) ( B F 9 ) = 0 BF(BF + 21) - 270 = (BF + 30)(BF - 9) = 0 . Hence B F = 9 BF = 9 and C G = B C B F F G = 48 9 21 = 18 CG = BC - BF - FG = 48 - 9 - 21 = 18 . We apply the secant theorem again to obtain the system C H ( C H + H I ) = C G C F = 18 ( 39 ) , A I ( A I + H I ) = A D A E = 3 ( 42 ) , C H + H I + I A = 48. \begin{aligned} CH(CH + HI) &= CG \cdot CF = 18(39), \\ AI(AI + HI) &= AD \cdot AE = 3(42), \\ CH + HI + IA &= 48. \end{aligned} This gives C H ( 48 I A ) = 18 ( 39 ) CH (48 - IA) = 18(39) and I A ( 48 C H ) = 3 ( 42 ) IA (48 - CH) = 3(42) , and subtracting the latter from the former yields C H I A = 12 CH - IA = 12 . Hence 48 = ( I A + 12 ) + H I + I A 48 = (IA + 12) + HI + IA , or I A = 18 H I 2 IA = 18 - \frac{HI}{2} . Finally, we obtain 3 ( 42 ) = I A ( H I + I A ) = ( 18 H I 2 ) ( 18 + H I 2 ) = 1 8 2 H I 2 4 , \begin{aligned} 3(42) &= IA(HI + IA) = \left(18 - \frac{HI}{2}\right)\left(18 + \frac{HI}{2}\right) \\ &= 18^2 - \frac{HI^2}{4}, \end{aligned} or H I 2 = 4 3 2 ( 6 2 14 ) = 792 . |HI|^2 = 4 \cdot 3^2 (6^2 - 14) = \boxed{792}.

Notice that the computations are simplified with this approach, even though the basic method remains the same. We could have simplified the computation even further by recognizing all given lengths were multiples of 3, so we could have scaled the diagram by that factor and reintroduced it at the end.

hero p. - 7 years, 10 months ago
Mursalin Habib
Aug 4, 2013

We're going to use something called the Intersecting Secants Theorem (also known as the secant-secant theorem) which tells us that when two secant lines intersect each other outside a circle, the products of their segments are equal.

Now notice that D B DB and G B GB are two secants of the circle Γ \Gamma and they intersect at a point outside Γ \Gamma , B B .

So the intersecting secants theorem tells us:

B D B E = B G B F BD\cdot BE= BG\cdot BF

( B E + B D ) B E = ( B F + F G ) B F \Rightarrow (BE+BD)\cdot BE=(BF+FG)\cdot BF

Plugging in all the values gives us:

B F 2 + 21 B F 270 = 0 BF^2+21BF-270=0 .

Solving this we get B F = 9 BF=9 .

Again notice that the sides of the equilateral triangle are equal to 48 48 [because A B = A D + D E + E B = 3 + 39 + 6 = 48 AB=AD+DE+EB=3+39+6=48 ].

So, C G = 48 F G B C = 48 21 9 = 18 CG=48-FG-BC=48-21-9=18 .

Again, F C FC and I C IC are two secants of the circle Γ \Gamma and they intersect at C C .

So, C F C G = C I C H CF\cdot CG= CI\cdot CH

( 21 + 18 ) 18 = C I C H \Rightarrow (21+18)\cdot 18 = CI\cdot CH

702 = C I C H \Rightarrow 702 = CI\cdot CH ( 1 ) \cdots (1) .

We have another set of secants. Take E A EA and H A HA .

So, A E A D = A H A I AE\cdot AD= AH\cdot AI

( 3 + 39 ) 3 = ( 48 C H ) ( 48 C I ) \Rightarrow (3+39)\cdot 3= (48-CH)(48-CI)

126 = 4 8 2 48 ( C I + C H ) + C I C H \Rightarrow 126=48^2-48(CI+CH)+CI\cdot CH

From ( 1 ) (1) , C I C H = 702 CI\cdot CH=702 .

So making this substitution, we get:

126 = 2304 48 ( C I + C H ) + 702 126=2304-48(CI+CH)+702

( C I + C H ) = 2304 + 702 129 48 = 60 \Rightarrow (CI+CH)=\frac{2304+702-129}{48}=60 .

Squaring both sides gives us:

( C I + C H ) 2 = 6 0 2 = 3600 (CI+CH)^2=60^2=3600

( C I C H ) 2 + 4 C I C H = 3600 \Rightarrow (CI-CH)^2+4\cdot CI\cdot CH=3600 .

Again recall ( 1 ) (1) which allows us to substitute C I C H CI\cdot CH with 702 702 . Also notice that C I C H = H I CI-CH=HI . So we're almost done!

Plugging in all the values gives us:

H I 2 = 3600 4 702 = 792 HI^2=3600-4\cdot 702=\boxed{792} .

I solved using Pythagoras' Theorem on the 6 triangles AOB, BOC, COD, DOE, FOG and HOI; and using the fact that OD=OE=OF=OG=OH=OI, where O is the centre. It is a fair bit more working than the secant idea though, glad I didn't take the hour to type it out :)

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 10 months ago

using coordinate geometry can also help to solve this problem

subharthi chowdhuri - 7 years, 10 months ago

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Yes. A lot of problems can be approached in multiple ways. Personally, I feel more at home with elementary Euclidean geometry.

Mursalin Habib - 7 years, 10 months ago

I also did the same as Mursalin H did

I would like to know if there is another method

Mayank Kaushik - 7 years, 10 months ago

I used Co ordinate geometry , though it becomes lengthy and please forgive me I cant type a big solution. Mursalin's method is simpler than mine. Actually I first tried euclidean geometry only but the idea didn't click, so went for co ordinate geometry approach, it was bit easier as its an equilateral triangle and you can always choose your co ordinate axes such that the abscissa coincides with the base

subharthi chowdhuri - 7 years, 10 months ago
Alex Wei
May 20, 2014

From power of a point on B B , we have B E B D = B F B G BE\cdot BD=BF\cdot BG , hence 6 45 = B F ( B F + 21 ) B F = 9 6\cdot45=BF(BF+21)\Rightarrow BF=9 . 48 = A B = B C = 9 + 21 + G C 48=AB=BC=9+21+GC , so G C = 18 GC=18 . Using power of a point on C C , we obtain C G C F = C H C I 18 39 = C H ( C H + H I ) CG\cdot CF=CH\cdot CI\Rightarrow 18\cdot39=CH(CH+HI) . Similarly, we have 3 42 = A I ( A I + H I ) 3\cdot42=AI(AI+HI) . Letting C H = a , H I = b CH=a, HI=b and I A = c IA=c , we have 18 39 = a ( a + b ) , 3 42 = c ( c + b ) 18\cdot39=a(a+b), 3\cdot42=c(c+b) and a + b + c = 48 a+b+c=48 . Because a + b = 48 c a+b=48-c and b + c = 48 a b+c=48-a , we can substitute to get 702 = a ( 48 c ) 702=a(48-c) and 126 = c ( 48 a ) 126=c(48-a) . Subtracting these yields 12 = a c a = 12 + c 12=a-c\Rightarrow a=12+c . Plugging this back into 126 = c ( 48 a ) 126=c(48-a) gives us 126 = c ( 36 c ) c = 18 3 22 126=c(36-c)\Rightarrow c=18-3\sqrt{22} , therefore a = 30 3 22 a=30-3\sqrt{22} . H I 2 = ( 48 ( 18 3 22 ) ( 30 3 22 ) ) 2 = ( 6 22 ) 2 = 792 HI^2=(48-(18-3\sqrt{22})-(30-3\sqrt{22}))^2=(6\sqrt{22})^2=\boxed{792} .

Taylor Lau
May 20, 2014

Let BF=x. By power of a point, (BE)(BD)=(BF)(BG). (6)(45)=x(x+21). After simplification and factorization, x=-30, 9. We discard -30 to find BF=9. The triangle's side length is 48, so 9+21+GC=48. GC=18. Let AI=a, HI=b, and CH=c. a+b+c=48. By power of a point, (3)(42)=a(a+b). Also, (18)(39)=c(b+c). Three variables, three equations: solve for b (and a/c along the way). Substituting 48-c for a+b and 48-a for b+c makes the process easier. After simplification, a=18-sqrt(198), c=30-sqrt(198). Therefore, b=sqrt(798). b^2=798, and we are done.

Shivam Agarwal
May 20, 2014

1st power of point B w.r.t. Circle is BE(BE+ED) OR also BF(BF+FG) . Hence solving this eqn. we get BF=9,as the tri. Is eqlateral GC=18 and

AI+HI+CH=48

let AI=x, HI=y,CH=z

applying eqn. Of power of point w.r.t. A and then C we get 2 eqn.

x^2 +xy-126=0.......1

z^2+zy-702=0..........2

subtracting these 2 eqn. And solving we get

z-x=12 .........3

we have z+x=48-y...........4

eq3 +eq4 we get

z = 30 - y/2

putting these value in eq. 2 we obtain-

y^2 =|HI|^2 =792

Kevin Sun
May 20, 2014

We use power of a Point from B E BE . Since B E B D = B F B G , 6 45 = B F ( B F + 21 ) BE*BD = BF * BG, 6*45 = BF * (BF+21) , so B F = 9 BF = 9 . Since A B C ABC is equilateral, A B = 48 AB = 48 , so B C = A C = 48 BC = AC = 48 , which means that G C = 18 GC = 18 . By power of a point from A, we get that 3 42 = A I ( 48 H C ) 3 * 42 = AI * (48-HC) , and power of a point from C C gives 18 39 = C H ( 48 A I ) 18*39 = CH * (48 - AI) , so solving we have that H I = 792 HI = \sqrt{792} so our answer is 792.

The secant secant theorem for the chords ED, GF and the outside point B, says that: |EB|⋅|DB|=|GB|⋅|FB|. |GB|=|FB|+|FG| => |EB|⋅|DB|=|FB|⋅(|FB|+|FG|) => |FB|⋅(|FB|+21)=6⋅(6+39)=270 => |FB|=9. ABC is an equilateral triangle => |AB|=|BC|=|CA|=|EB|+|DE|+|AD|=6+39+3=48=|FB|+|FG|+|GC| => |GC|=18. The secant secant theorem for the chords FG, HI and the outside point C: |GC|⋅|FC|=|HC|⋅|IC| =>|HC|⋅(|HC|+|HI|)=18⋅(18+21)=702, but |HC|+|HI|+|IA|=|AC|=48 => |HC|+|HI|=48-|IA|. Hence, |HC|⋅(48-|IA|)=702. (1) Applying the secant secant theorem again - this time for the chords DE, IH and the outside point A - we get that |DA|⋅|EA|=|IA|⋅|HA| => 3⋅(3+39)=|IA|⋅(|IA|+|HI|), but |IA|+|HI|=48-|HC| => |AI|⋅(48-|HC|)=126. (2) Substracting the relations (1) and (2), we obtain that 48⋅(|HC|-|IA|)=702-126=576 => |HC|-|IA|=12. Replacing |HC| with 12+|IA| in the second relation, we get that: |IA|⋅(48-12-|IA|)=126 => |IA|^2-36⋅|IA|+126=0 => |IA|=18-3√22. |HI|=48-|IA|-|HC|=48-|IA|-12-|IA|=36-2⋅|IA|=36-(36-6√22)=6√22. Hence, |HI|^2=36⋅22=792.

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Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago
Kishore S. Shenoy
Aug 27, 2015

Using Secant Theoram

( 39 + 6 ) 6 = B F ( B F + 21 ) B F 2 + 21 B F 270 = 0 And, BF is a length, hence positive B F = 9 a n d C G = 18 Now, y ( x + y ) = 18 × 39 And, ( 48 y ) × [ 48 ( x + y ) ] = 42 × 3 Solving.... x = ± 6 22 And, since the distance is positive, H I = 6 22 H I 2 = 792 \begin{aligned}(39+6)\cdot 6 &= BF \cdot (BF + 21)\\ \Rightarrow BF^2 + 21BF -270 &= 0\\ \text{And, BF is a length, hence } &\text{positive }\\ BF = 9~and~CG &= 18\\\\ \text{Now, }y(x + y ) &= 18 \times 39\\ \text{And, } (48-y)\times\left[48 - (x+y)\right] &= 42\times 3\\ \text{Solving.... }x&= \pm 6\sqrt{22}\\ \text{And, since the distance is positive, }&|HI| = 6\sqrt{22}\\\\ \boxed{|HI|^2 = 792}\end{aligned}

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Yes, it's just using power of a point many times, to figure out the relationship between the lengths.

Ajit Athle
Jun 16, 2015

Is it possible to determine the radius of this circle? I got a frightening number such as (7/19)(8479/3)^(1/2) or R ~=19.59. Can anyone please confirm this? If it's wrong what would be correct radius?

Nilesh Prasad
May 20, 2014

AB= 48 triangle BDF and BGE are similar. BE : BG = BF: BD and BF \times BG = BE \times BD BF \times (BF+21) = 270

=> BF=9 [ BF= -30 rejected]

CH \times CI = CG \times CF AI \times AH = AD \times AE note :- let CH = x , HI = y , IA = z

x \times (x+y) = 702 - eq 1. z \times (z+y) = 124 - eq 2. x+y+z = 48 - eq 3.

from eq 3. z= 48-x-y

and from eq 1. y = \frac { (702 - x^2)}{x}

putting value of z and y in eq .2

(48-x-y) \times ( 48-x-y+y) = 124 also, putting value of y in upper eq. we get,

(48 - x - \frac { (702 - x^2)}{x} ) \times (48 - x ) = 124

on solving for x , we putting the value in y = \frac { (702- x^2)}{x} we get, y^2 = \frac { 459073}{576} => y = 791.57 .

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