Having An Electric Time

A clock face has charges q , 2 q , 3 q , 4 q , , 12 q -q , -2q , -3q , -4q , \ldots, -12q that are fixed at a position of the corresponding numerals on the dial. The clock hands do not disturb the net field due to point charges. If the hour hand were to point in the direction of the electric field, what time would it say?

8:15 12:00 9:30 6:30

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8 solutions

Caleb Stanford
Jan 30, 2014

Since the radius is constant, the component of the electric field in each direction is proportional to the charge. Thus, for some constant k k and for all 1 i 12 1 \le i \le 12 , the electric field component towards numeral i i will be equal to k i ki .

We can combine the components in opposite directions. In the direction of numeral 12, the component is 12 k 6 k = 6 k 12k - 6k = 6k . In the direction of numeral 11, it is 11 k 5 k = 6 k 11k - 5k = 6k . Similarly for the component in the direction of numerals 10, 9, 8, and 7. Thus we have that the electric field is the sum of six components, each of magnitude 6 k 6k , in the directions of numerals 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. By symmetry, the net electric field will point halfway between 9 and 10, or at 9 : 30 \boxed{9:30} .

I used the same logic. Symmetry works well here, plus we end up with six -6q charges at the end which makes it easier. From 7:00 - 12:00, the average value is 9:30. Hence the answer.

Rajaraman Padmanabhan - 7 years, 3 months ago

thanks

GAURAV GOEL - 7 years, 4 months ago

superb .. thnks

Ashish Urankar - 7 years, 4 months ago

good logic there :)

Yash Nigam - 7 years, 3 months ago

Use symmetry... and its all easy.

Ajay Singh - 7 years, 3 months ago
Mehdi Hassan
Feb 4, 2014

The field of the Opposite directional charges demolish themselves . Its like -12-(-6)=-6 .So -1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6 becomes 0 and -7,-8,-9,-10,-11,-12 becomes -6 . Next , now they are all equally charged and same direction . so find the middle number between 7 and 12 . its 9.30 . Those were all negative charges , so direction towards 9.30 . If they were +ve , it would be opposite to 9.30 ; ie 3.30 :)

nice

avinash nelson - 7 years, 3 months ago

Interesting question! Consider the charges q i q_i be analogous to mass, the problem is solve for the center of 'charge' ( x ˉ , y ˉ ) (\bar{x},\bar{y}) from the center of the clock ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) as follows:

x ˉ = 12 + 6 12 + 6 ( 0 ) + 1 + 5 7 11 1 + 5 + 7 + 11 cos 6 0 + 2 + 4 8 10 2 + 4 + 8 + 10 cos 3 0 + 3 9 3 + 9 ( 1 ) \bar{x}= \frac{12+6}{12+6}(0) +\frac{1+5-7-11}{1+5+7+11} \cos{60^\circ} + \frac{2+4-8-10} {2+4+8+10} \cos{30^\circ} +\frac{3-9}{3+9}(1)

= 1 4 3 4 1 2 = 1 4 ( 3 + 3 ) \quad = -\frac{1}{4} -\frac{\sqrt{3}}{4} -\frac{1}{2} = -\frac{1}{4}(3+\sqrt{3})

Similarly, we find that y ˉ = 1 3 \bar{y}=\frac{1}{3} .

Let tan θ = y ˉ x ˉ θ = 15. 7 \tan{\theta}=\frac{\bar{y}}{\bar{x}} \Rightarrow \theta = -15.7^\circ \Rightarrow the hour hand pointed to 9 : 30 \boxed {9:30} .

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  2. use vector method
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Arun Varghese - 7 years, 4 months ago
Suryansh Tiwari
Feb 10, 2014

check the direction of electric field ,thats it

Ayon Ghosh
Oct 14, 2017

This is a nice but easy problem from DCP.Innovative problem.

Likith Nagaraj
Mar 6, 2014

by symmetry argument we ultimately end up with two vectors along 9 direction and 12 direction, but the former is longer than the latter thus the resultant is slightly below the central position which has to be 9:30.

As the radius is constant in all cases , we can assume the the net charge is concentrated at one place i.e. center of charge ( just like center of mass). And at that point the net electric field is acting.

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