Combined Arithmetic Geometric Progression

Algebra Level 3

We have three numbers in an arithmetic progression, and another three numbers in a geometric progression. Adding the corresponding terms of the two series, we get 120 , 116 , 130 120 , 116 , 130 . If the sum of all the terms in the geometric progression is 342 342 , what is the largest term in the geometric progression?


Details and Assumptions:

  • If the terms of the AP are A, B, C, and the terms of the GP are X, Y, Z, then adding the corresponding terms will give us A+X, B+Y, C+Z.


The answer is 162.

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17 solutions

敬全 钟
Dec 26, 2013

We let the terms in the Arithmetic progression be a , a + r , a + 2 r a, a+r, a+2r and the terms in the geometric progression to be b , b p , b p 2 b, bp, bp^2 . Then, since a + b = 120 , a + r + b p = 116 , a + 2 r + b p 2 = 130 a+b = 120, a+r+bp=116, a+2r+bp^2=130 , therefore, we can directly substitute b = 120 a b=120-a

b p = 116 ( a + r ) bp = 116-(a+r)

b p 2 = 130 ( a + 2 r ) bp^2 = 130-(a+2r) .

After that, we solve the linear equation, as follows.

120 a + 116 a r + 130 a 2 r = 342 120-a+116-a-r+130-a-2r=342

366 3 a 3 r = 342 366-3a-3r=342

3 a + 3 r = 24 3a+3r=24

a + r = 8 a+r=8

This implies to b p = 108 bp=108 . Then, we left with b + b p 2 = 234 b+bp^2=234 , implying that

108 p + 108 p = 234 \frac{108}{p}+108p=234

1 p + p = 13 6 \frac{1}{p}+p=\frac{13}{6}

p 2 + 1 p = 13 6 \frac{p^2+1}{p}=\frac{13}{6}

6 p 2 + 6 = 13 p 6p^2+6=13p

6 p 2 13 p + 6 = 0 6p^2-13p+6=0

( p 3 2 ) ( p 2 3 ) = 0 (p-\frac{3}{2})(p-\frac{2}{3})=0

Therefore, p could be either 3 2 \frac{3}{2} or 2 3 \frac{2}{3} . But since we need the largest term, so we multiply 108 with 3 2 \frac{3}{2} , to get our desired answer, which is 162 \boxed{162} .

There are two possible sets of AP/GP possible when you solve the system of equations.

For GP: r = 3/2 or 2/3 This results in the AP having a common difference d = -40 or 50 respectively.

Therefore the AP/GP can be as follows:

AP: 48, 8, -32 GP: 72, 108, 162

OR

AP: -42, 8, 58 GP: 162, 108, 72

As it turns out, both possible scenarios give the same maximum term in the GP of 162.

Tong Choo - 7 years, 5 months ago

perfect!!!

Krishna Ramesh - 7 years, 1 month ago

actualy, it would be easier if you had taken the A.P as a-d, a and a+d and the G.P as a/r, a and ar

Krishna Ramesh - 7 years, 1 month ago
Raj Magesh
Dec 27, 2013

Given:

a + x = 120 a+x = 120

b + y = 116 b+y = 116

c + z = 130 c+z = 130

Adding the three,

a + b + c + ( x + y + z ) = 366 a+b+c+(x+y+z) = 366

But x + y + z = 342 x+y + z = 342 . So,

a + b + c = 366 342 = 24 a+b+c = 366 -342 = 24

In an Arithmetic Progression, 2 b = a + c 2b = a+c .

2 b + b = 24 b = 8 2b + b =24 \Longrightarrow b = 8

If b = 8 b = 8 , y = 116 8 = 108 y = 116 - 8 = 108

Let x = y r x = \dfrac{y}{r} and z = y r z = yr , where r r is the common ratio of the Geometric Progression.

y r + y + y r = 342 \dfrac{y}{r} + y + yr = 342

108 r + 108 + 108 r = 342 \dfrac{108}{r} + 108 + 108r = 342

54 r 2 117 r + 54 = 0 \Longrightarrow 54r^{2} - 117r + 54 = 0

Solving for r r , we get r = 3 2 r = \dfrac{3}{2} or r = 2 3 r=\dfrac{2}{3}

x = y r = 108 3 2 = 72 x = \dfrac{y}{r} = \dfrac{108}{\frac{3}{2}} = 72

z = y r = 108 × 3 2 = 162 z = yr = 108 \times \dfrac{3}{2} = \boxed{162}

Note: If we take r = 2 3 r = \frac{2}{3} , x = 162 x = 162 and z = 72 z = 72 , giving us the same answer of 162 \boxed{162} . Also, the quadratic could be simplified to 6 r 2 13 r + 6 = 0 6r^{2} - 13r + 6 = 0 , but I didn't show that.

Raj Magesh - 7 years, 5 months ago
Pranjit Handique
May 20, 2014

Let the terms in A.P. be ( a b ) , a , ( a + b ) (a-b),a,(a+b) . And the G.P. terms be ( A ) , ( A r ) (A),(Ar) and ( A r 2 ) ( Ar^2) . therefore a b + A = 120 a-b+A=120 (1), a + A r = 116 a+Ar=116 (2), a + b + A r 2 = 130 a+b+ Ar^2 =130 (3). Adding (1),(2) and (3), we get 3 a + A ( 1 + r + r 2 ) = 366 3a +A(1+r+ r^2)=366 (4). Again, A + A r + A r 2 = 342 A+Ar+ Ar^2=342 . Substituting this in (4), we get 3 a = 366 342 = 24 3a=366-342=24 . So, a = 8 a=8 (1),(2) reduces to A = 112 + b A=112+b (5) and A r = 108 Ar=108 (6). (6) divided by (5) gives r = 108 / ( 112 + b ) r = 108/(112+b) , and from (3) we have 8 + b + A r 2 = 130 8+b+Ar^2=130 , so b + ( 108 108 ) / ( 112 + b ) = 122 b + (108*108)/(112+b)=122 , or that b 2 + 112 b + ( 108 108 ) = ( 112 122 ) + 122 b b^2 +112b+(108*108)=(112*122)+122b , which is equivalent to b 2 10 b 2000 = 0 b^2-10b-2000=0 . On solving, we get b = 50 b=50 or -40. So, the terms in AP are either -42,8,58 and the terms in GP are 162,108,72. Alternatively the terms in AP are 48,8,-32 and the terms in GP are 72,108,162. The answer is the greatest term in GP, i.e. 162.

[Latex Edits - Calvin]

All other solutions were marked incomplete. Why is it important to verify that the AP and GP could actually exist?

Hint: Otherwise we can prove that 0=1 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Ryandk St
May 20, 2014

use A,B,C to express terms of the AP and X,Y,Z to express terms of the GP.

first , it is to count the sum of the AP is 120 + 116 + 130 342 = 24 120+116+130-342=24 , so B must 24 / 3 = 8 24/3=8 and Y = 116 B = 108 Y=116-B=108 .

so let A = 8 d , C = 8 + d , X = 108 q , Z = 108 q A=8-d,C=8+d,X=\frac{108}{q},Z=108q ,as d d is the common difference and q q is the commom ratio. also we have A + X = 120 , C + Z = 130 A+X=120 ,C+Z=130 .

solve the equation and we get two solution q = 2 3 , d = 50 o r , q = 3 2 , d = 40 q=\frac{2}{3},d=50 or , q=\frac{3}{2},d=-40 .both of them show the largest term in the Geometric Progression is 108 3 2 = 162 108*\frac{3}{2}=162

Happy Melodies
Dec 26, 2013

Firstly, a very important clue to note is that the sum of the corresponding terms of the two series first decreased, then increased ( 120 , 116 , 130 120,116, 130 ). Since the difference d d ( > 0 ) (>0) of the A P AP - arithmetic progression - is always constant, the decrease then increase in the sum of the terms (above) must be due to the terms in the G P GP . From here we can deduce that the GP and AP are progressing in "different direction" (i.e. one series is decreasing while the other increasing). In this question, the AP is decreasing while the GP is increasing (because the gradual increase in sum of terms occur due to the increase in the difference of terms in GP).

Secondly, let the 3 3 terms (in decreasing order) in the AP be a + d , a , a d a + d, a, a - d . Adding them up, we get 3 a = 24 3a = 24 and a = 8 a = 8 . Thus, we know that the second term of the GP = 116 8 = 108 = 116 - 8 = 108 . Similarly, the first and third term of the GP are 120 ( 8 + d ) = 112 d and 130 ( 8 d ) = 122 + d 120-(8+d)= 112 - d \text { and }130 -(8-d) = 122 +d respectively. Recall that in a GP, the ratio is common for all terms. Hence, 108 112 d = 122 + d 108 \frac {108}{112-d} = \frac{122+d}{108}

Cross multiplying, we get: 10 8 2 = ( 122 + d ) ( 112 d ) = 13664 10 d d 2 108^2 = (122+d)(112-d) = 13664 -10d -d^2

Then, d 2 + 10 d 2000 = ( d 40 ) ( d + 50 ) = 0 d^2 +10d -2000 = (d-40)(d+50) =0 .

Thus, d = 40 or 50 d = 40 \text{ or } -50 but since the difference is assumed to be ( > 0 ) (>0) above, d = 40 d=40 . The third term of the GP, which is the largest term is simply 130 ( 8 40 ) = 162 130 - (8 - 40) = \boxed{162}

Muhammad Al Kahfi
May 20, 2014

Assume that, the number that is on arithmetic progression :

( a d ) , a , ( a + d ) ( 1 ) (a - d), a, (a+d) \ldots \ldots \ldots (1)

And assume that, the number that is on geometric progression :

b , b r , b r 2 ( 2 ) b, br, br^2 \ldots \ldots \ldots (2) . So,

Since, the sum of all the terms in the Geometric Progression is 342 342 . And the sum of equation (1) and (2) is ( 120 + 116 + 130 = 366 ) (120 + 116 + 130 = 366) We obtain :

( ( a d ) + a + ( a + d ) ) + ( a + a r + a r 2 ) = 366 3 a + 342 = 366 ((a - d) + a + (a+d)) + (a + ar + ar^2) = 366 \implies 3a + 342 = 366 3 a = 24 a = 8 3a = 24 \implies a = 8 . So,

the number that is on arithmetic progression :

( 8 d ) , 8 , ( 8 + d ) (8 - d), 8, (8+d) . And,

Since, the sum second term is 116 116 , we obtain :

a + ( b r ) = 116 8 + b r = 116 b r = 108 a + (br) = 116 \implies 8 + br = 116 \implies br = 108 .

Since, the sum of all the terms in the Geometric Progression is 342 342 . We obtain :

b + b r + b r 2 = 342 b r ( 1 r + 1 + r ) = 342 108 ( 1 r + 1 + r ) = 342 b + br + br^2 = 342 \implies br( \frac{1}{r} + 1 + r ) = 342 \implies 108( \frac{1}{r} + 1 + r ) = 342 1 r + r = 13 6 6 r 2 13 r + 6 = 0 ( 2 r 3 ) ( 3 r 2 ) = 0 \frac{1}{r} + r = \frac{13}{6} \implies 6r^2 - 13r + 6 = 0 \implies (2r - 3)(3r - 2) = 0

So, r = 2 3 o r 3 2 r = \frac{2}{3} or \frac{3}{2} . And, WLOG(without loss of generality), assume that r = 3 2 r = \frac{3}{2} . So,

the number that is on geometric progression :

72 , 108 , 162 72, 108, 162 . So, the largest term in the geometric progression is 162 \boxed{162}

Jiaqi Wang
May 20, 2014

Let the numbers in the Arithmetic Progression be a-b , a , a+b and the numbers in the Geometric Progression be x , xr , xr^2. Since a - b + x = 120 a + xr = 116, and a + b + xr^2 = 130, a-b + a + a+b + x + xr + xr^2 = 120 + 116 + 130 = 366. We also know that x + xr + xr^2 = 342, therefore, subtracting the geometric terms from a-b + a + a+b + x + xr + xr^2 =366, you get a-b + a + a+b = 24. Combine like terms and 3a = 24, and a = 8. From a + xr = 116, we can subtract a out and xr = 108. We can now find r by setting up a ratio: xr / (xr^2 + xr + x) = r / (r^2+r+1) = 108/342 = 6 / 19. Cross multiply you get 19r = 6r^2 + 6r + 6. Subtract 19r from both sides: 0 = 6r^2 - 13r + 6. Now, with the quadratics formula, r = 2/3 or 3/2. Plug r in xr = 108 and x = 162 or 72. Plug x and r in for xr^2 and xr^2 = 162 or 72. Therefore, the largest term is 162 no matter whether r is 2/3 or 3/2.

Raj Ranjan
May 20, 2014

Let us take AP as x-d, x , and x+d and GP as a/r, a, ar Now, a(\­(\frac {1+r+r^2}{r}\­)) = 342 -------------(vii) and \­(\frac {a}{r}\­) + ar = 342 - a -------------(iv) and x-d+\­(\frac {a}{r}\­) = 120 -----------(i) x+a = 116 ------------(ii) x+d+ar -------------(iii) Adding eqn. (i) and (iii) 2x + \­(\frac {a}{r}\­) + ar = 250 ------------(v)

from (iv) and (v) 2x + 342 - a = 250 2x -a = -92 ----------------(vi) from (ii) and (vi) 3x= 24 => x=8 from (ii) a=116-8 = 108 Now putting the value of a in eqn (vii)

\­(\frac {1+r+r^2}{r}\­)= \­(\frac {342}{108}\­) \­(\frac {1+r+r^2}{r}\­)= \­(\frac {19}{6}\­) 6\­(r^2\­) -13r + 6 =0 solving the quardratic eq. r = \­(\frac{13 \pm \sqrt{13^2-466}}{12}\­) r =\­(\frac {13 \pm 5}{12}\­) => r= \­(\frac {2}{3}\­) or \­(\frac {3}{2}\­) for max ar = 108 * \­(\frac {3}{2}\­)

hence max ar = 162

Let the 3 Geometric Progression terms be x a \frac{x}{a} , x x and a x ax .

Let the 3 Arithmetic Progression terms be m n m-n , m m and m + n m+n .

We have x a + x + a x = 342 \frac{x}{a}+x+ax=342 and x a + x + a x + m n + m + m + n = x a + x + a x + 3 m = 120 + 116 + 130 = 366 \frac{x}{a}+x+ax+m-n+m+m+n=\frac{x}{a}+x+ax+3m=120+116+130=366 , so 3 m = 366 342 = 24 3m=366-342=24 and m = 8 m=8 .

Since m + x = 116 m+x=116 , thus x = 116 8 = 108 x=116-8=108 . Now we have 108 a + 108 + 108 a = 108 ( 1 a + 1 + a ) = 342 \frac{108}{a}+108+108a=108(\frac{1}{a}+1+a)=342 and 1 a + 1 + a = 19 6 \frac{1}{a}+1+a=\frac{19}{6} , thus 1 a + a = 13 6 \frac{1}{a}+a=\frac{13}{6} .

Multiplying both sides by a will get a 2 + 1 = 13 6 a a^2+1=\frac{13}{6}a or a 2 13 6 a + 1 = 0 a^2-\frac{13}{6}a+1=0 . Factorising gives ( a 3 2 ) ( a 2 3 ) = 0 (a-\frac{3}{2})(a-\frac{2}{3})=0 , so a = 3 2 o r 2 3 a=\frac{3}{2} or \frac{2}{3} .

Now one of the Geometric Progression terms is 2 3 108 = 72 \frac{2}{3}\cdot 108=72 , another is 108 and the last is 3 2 108 = 162 \frac{3}{2}\cdot 108=162 .

So the largest of the Geometric Progression terms is 162.

Prasang Gupta
May 20, 2014

Let the numbers in AP be a, a+d, a+2d and the numbers in GP be A, AR, AR^2.

By using the given information,

a+A=120......[1]

a+d+AR=116........[2]

a+2d+AR^2=130........[3]

A+AR+AR^2=342.......[4]

Adding 1,2,3 and substituting from 4,

a+d=8

Hence, the equation reduces to

AR=108

A(1+R^2)=234

Solving for A and R,

A=72;R=3/2

OR

A=162;R=2/3

Calculating AR^2 for both and taking larger value,

AR^2=162

Let a d , a , a + d a-d, a, a+d be the terms of an arithmetic progression and b r , b , b r \frac{b}{r}, b, br be the terms of a geometric progression. Then we have a d + b r = 120 , a + b = 116 , a + d + b r = 130 a-d+\frac{b}{r}=120, a+b=116, a+d+br=130 . Thus, the sum of the terms of an arithmetic progression is equal to 120 + 116 + 130 342 = 24 = 3 a 120+116+130-342=24=3a , which gives a = 8 a=8 . Thus, b = 116 a = 108 b=116-a=108 and 108 ( 1 r + 1 + r ) = 342 108(\frac{1}{r}+1+r)=342 , which gives 1 r + r = 13 6 \frac{1}{r}+r=\frac{13}{6} or 6 r 2 13 r + 6 = ( 3 r 2 ) ( 2 r 3 ) = 0 6r^2-13r+6=(3r-2)(2r-3)=0 . Thus, with r = 3 2 , 2 3 r=\frac{3}{2}, \frac{2}{3} , the largest term in a geometric progression is 108 3 2 = 162 108\cdot\frac{3}{2}=162 .

Sr Somayaji
Dec 28, 2013

Hey guys! I feel that this problem is slightly over-rated. All it needs is four equations, manipulations and their solutions!

So let the three terms of the GP be b x \frac{b}{x} , b and bx.

And the three terms of the AP be a-d, a and a+d.

Now with the given data, we can formulate four equations:

1-- a-d + b x \frac{b}{x} = 120

2-- a + b = 116

3-- a+d + bx = 130

4-- b x \frac{b}{x} + b + bx = 342

Adding equations 1 and 3, we get-- 2a + b x \frac{b}{x} + bx = 250

Substituting for b x \frac{b}{x} + bx from equation 4, we get equation--

5-- 2a - b = -92

Solving equations 2 and 5, we get a = 8 and b = 108.

Now plugging in the values for b in equation 4 and solving for x, we get x = 2 3 \frac{2}{3} or 3 2 \frac{3}{2} .

Thus, either way, we get the max. value of the GP to be 162! Hence the answer! Cheers!

yes, you are right...this problem is not as tough as I initially thought it would be...

Krishna Ramesh - 7 years, 1 month ago
Bharat Karmarkar
Dec 27, 2013

solve 108(1/r + 1 + r) = 342, GP is 72, 108, 162. AP is - 42, 8, 58. We get 162 - 42 = 120, 108 + 8 = 116 and 58 + 72 = 130

Daniel Cabrales
Dec 27, 2013

Let ( A , B , C ) (A, B, C) and ( X , Y , Z ) (X, Y, Z) be the terms in arithmetic sequence and geometric sequence respectively.

Adding the sum of the corresponding terms of the AP and GP will give us:

( A + X ) + ( B + Y ) + ( C + Z ) = ( A + B + C ) + ( X + Y + Z ) = 120 + 116 + 130 = 366 (A + X) + (B + Y) + (C + Z) = (A + B + C) + (X + Y + Z) = 120 + 116 + 130 = 366

which is the sum of the terms of AP and GP.

Since the sum of the terms of GP is 342 342 , subtracting it will give us the sum of the terms of AP. Thus A + B + C = 366 342 = 24 A + B + C = 366 - 342 = 24 which implies, the middle term B B to be 8 8 .

Now let, r r be the common ratio of the GP. Given the fact that Y Y is the geometric mean, we can represent all the other terms of the geometric progression with respect to r r and B B thus, Y r = X \frac{Y}{r} = X and Y r = Z Yr = Z . This also holds for the terms in Arithmetic Progression.

From that,

(1) Y r + 8 d = 120 \frac{Y}{r} + 8 - d = 120

(2) Y + 8 = 116 Y + 8 = 116

(3) Y r + 8 + d = 130 Yr + 8 + d = 130

From (2), we get Y = 108 Y = 108 , by substituting it to (1) and (3) we will have the system of equations:

(4) 108 r d = 112 \frac{108}{r} - d = 112

(5) 108 r + d = 122 108r + d = 122

which by elimination method, get rid of d d

(6) 108 r + 108 r = 234 \frac{108}{r} + 108r = 234

Solving for r r we'll get r = 3 2 r = \frac{3}{2}

Thus by substitution, to Z Z we'll get, Z = ( 108 ) ( 3 2 ) = 162 Z = (108)(\frac{3}{2}) = 162 which is what we have been asked to find.

Shivam Khosla
Dec 27, 2013

A,B, C are in ap and x,y,z are in gp...let x=a=first term of gp then y=ar and z=ar^2......2B=A+C...... A+x=120, B+y=116, C+z=130 Now adding all above three equations A+B+C+x+y+z=120+116+130=>366 A+B+C+342=366 2B+B=366-342, 3B=24 B=8 Now B+y=108,=>y=108 Now ar=108....therefore a=108/r Adding all gp terms, x+y+z=342 x+z=342-108 x+z=234 a+ar^2=234 Now putting a=108/r we get a quadratic in r whose solutions are 6/9 and 9/6.....put this values one by one in x,y,z and search for the largest value.....we will get two series in gp for two values of r....72,108,162 and 162,108,72...now largest value=162

Ayon Pal
Dec 27, 2013

Let, the three terms of A.P. series = ( p d ) , p , ( p + d ) (p-d), p, (p+d) [where d = d = common difference of A.P.]

And, the three terms of G.P. series = a r , a , a r \frac{a}{r}, a, ar [where r = r = common ratio of G.P.]

Then, ( p d ) + a r = 120.... ( i ) (p - d) + \frac{a}{r} = 120 ....(i)

p + a = 116..... ( i i ) p + a = 116 .....(ii)

( p + d ) + a r = 130.... ( i i i ) (p +d) + ar = 130 ....(iii)

So, the sum of all terms in A.P. and G.P. is = ( ( p d ) + p + ( p d ) ) + ( a r + a + a r ) = 120 + 116 + 130 = 366 ((p-d) + p + (p -d)) + ( \frac{a}{r} + a + ar) = 120 + 116 + 130 = 366

And the sum of all terms of G.P. is a r + a + a r = 342 \frac{a}{r} + a + ar = 342

So, the sum of all terms in A.P. = ( ( p d ) + p + ( p d ) + a r + a + a r ) ) ( a r + a + a r ) = 366 342 ((p-d) + p + (p -d) + \frac{a}{r} + a + ar)) - (\frac{a}{r} + a + ar) = 366 - 342

( p d ) + p + ( p + d ) = 24 \implies (p - d) + p + (p + d) = 24

3 p = 24 \implies 3p = 24

p = 8 \implies p = 8

In equation (ii) putting the value of p p 8 + a = 116 8 + a = 116

a = 108 a = 108

So, in equation (i) ( p d ) + a r = 120 (p - d) + \frac{a}{r} = 120

108 r d = 112.... ( i v ) \implies \frac{108}{r} - d = 112 .... (iv)

And in equation (iii) ( p + d ) + a r = 130 (p +d) + ar = 130

108 r + d = 122.... ( v ) \implies 108r + d = 122 .... (v)

Solving equations (iv) and (v) we get the value of r = 3 2 o r 2 3 r = \frac{3}{2} or \frac{2}{3} and d = 40 d = -40

So, we get the terms of G.P. series = 72 , 108 , 162 72, 108, 162

And get the largest term in G.P. 162 \implies \boxed{162}

Owen Scott
Dec 26, 2013

Arithmetic sequence: a, a+x, a+x^2 Geometric sequence: b, b y, b y^2

Equation 1: b + b y + b y^2 = 342

Equation 2: a+b = 120

Equation 3: a+x+by = 116

Equation 4: a+2x+by^2 = 130

Equation 4 - Equation 3: x + by(y-1) = 14

Equation 3 - Equation 2: x+ b(y-1) = -4

Equation 5: Combining the last two equations gives: b(y-1)^2 = 18

Combine equations 1 and 5.

b (1+y+y^2) / b (y-1)^2 = 342/18 = 19

18y^2 - 39y + 18 = 0;

y = 3/2 or 2/3 (both will end up working; they'll just reverse the order of the sequences).

If y=3/2, b = 72 and a = 48. The geometric sequence is 72, 108, 162. 162 is the answer.

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