The equation of motion for rockets is m r v ˙ r = u e m ˙ r , where u e is the speed of the exhaust shooting out the back. The final velocity of the rocket is a few multiples of the exhaust speed, so it's quite important, but in physics textbooks, u e is usually treated like a freely adjustable parameter whose origin and precise value is a detail left for engineers to worry about. With a little bit of approximation, we can do better than that.
Estimate u e for the combustion of methane ( C H X 4 ) , the propellant used by SpaceX for its Raptor rocket engine program.
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Is there a systematic way of determining what fraction of the combustion energy ends up as kinetic energy of the reaction products? Or is it just an empirical test? And when I say "kinetic energy", I'm referring to ordered kinetic energy, rather than heat.
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Steve, see my solution. I argue that the average velocity is the same for both molecules (this is the "ordered kinetic energy" in your terms), and there is also a thermal energy (heat), carried by disordered motion.
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When I was reading some combustion engine lit to check if this estimate was anywhere close, I saw calculations that basically do what Laszlo is saying. If I come across it again I'll link.
How can this be valid, would not the motion depend on the mass of the gas being expelled and the mass of the rocket?
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If the question is how fast will the rocket go, the masses are important. However, here the question was the speed of the rocket exhaust - for that one does not need masses.
This is intermediate, Are you kidding me? I would have to look up such a big MASS of knowledge to be able to solve this...
How did u get the mass-weighted mean square velocity of the exhaust molecules???Like I mean how did u figure out the formula????
Level 1? I did not even understand the question.
I solved it by assuming that u C O 2 = u H 2 O , to get 4717m/s.
The exhaust gas is an ionized plasma, and there is a strong interaction between the particles. (We know that from the fact that the exhaust glows.) If there is a strong interaction between the particles, they will come to thermal equilibrium. The actual velocity of a given particle is u = u t h e r m a l + u a v e r a g e , where the average is the same for all particles and the thermal velocity depends on the mass, calculated from the equipartition theorem, u t h e r m a l = m 3 k B T , where k B is the Boltzmann constant, T is the temperature and m is the mass of the molecule. The number quoted above is valid only if we neglect the energy carried away by thermal motion. Taking into account the disordered motion in the hot gas (and the energy carried by the excited state of the ions) will make the actual exhaust velocity smaller than the estimated value, bringing it closer to the 3.6km/s value quoted by Josh.
I didn't know many about this type of reactions so what I did was:
Atomic mas for Oxigen: 16.
Atomic mas for Carbon: 12.
Atomic mas for Hidrogen: 1.
Atomic mas for all the reactives or products: 16 2+12 1+8*1=52.
Then with the converssion 52g/mol:
890kJ/mol (1mol/52g) (1000g/1kg)*(1000J/1kJ) to get the units J/kg=(m/s)^2. Then I suposed the result would be u^2 so I took the square root and got the correct answer with u=4137.07...m/s~5000m/s.
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The combustion of methane proceeds according to C H X 4 + 2 O X 2 C O X 2 + 2 H X 2 O , forming one molecule of carbon dioxide and two molecules of water for each molecule of methane combusted. If we assume that 1 0 0 % of the energy that's released goes into the kinetic energy of the products, then we have E total = 2 1 m C O X 2 u C O X 2 2 + 2 × 2 1 m H X 2 O u H X 2 O 2 . Now, the atomic mass of carbon dioxide and water are a bit different ( 4 4 and 1 8 , respectively) but by multiplying and dividing the right hand side by the sum of the masses, we can find a characteristic value for the speed of a given exhaust molecule. E total 2 E total = 2 1 m C O X 2 + 2 m H X 2 O m C O X 2 u C O X 2 2 + 2 × m H X 2 O u H X 2 O 2 ( m C O X 2 + 2 m H X 2 O ) = ⟨ u e 2 ⟩ ( m C O X 2 + 2 m H X 2 O ) where we've defined ⟨ u e 2 ⟩ as the mass-weighted mean square velocity of the exhaust molecules. Taking the root, we have an estimate for the maximum exhaust speed for the combustion of methalox (methane + liquid oxygen):
u e ≈ m C O X 2 + 2 m H X 2 O 2 E total ≈ 2 × 8 9 0 0 0 0 J mol − 1 / 0 . 0 8 k g mol − 1 < 2 0 × 4 5 × 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 J k g − 1 = 2 5 × 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 J k g − 1 = 5 0 0 0 m s − 1 .
In practice, u e is something less than 5 k m s − 1 , topping out near 3 . 6 k m s − 1 in the vacuum of space, and a bit less on Earth. But this gets us in the ballpark.