Common silly mistake

Algebra Level 5

A common mistake made by students is to claim that

a 2 + b 2 = a 2 + b 2 . \sqrt{a^2+b^2} = \sqrt{a^2} + \sqrt{b^2} .

How many ordered triples of integers ( a , b , c ) (a, b, c) are there, such that each of a , b , c a,b,c are integers from 0 to 9 inclusive, and

a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 ? \sqrt{ a^2 + b^2} - \sqrt{a^2 + c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2} ?


The answer is 190.

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Christian Mann
Sep 22, 2013

a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{a^2+b^2} - \sqrt{a^2+c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2}

Since we know a , b , c > = 0 a,b,c >= 0 we can simplify the RHS to:

a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b c \sqrt{a^2+b^2} - \sqrt{a^2+c^2} = b - c

Squaring on both sides,

a 2 + b 2 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) + a 2 + c 2 = b 2 2 b c + c 2 a^2 + b^2 - 2\sqrt{(a^2+b^2)(a^2+c^2)} + a^2 + c^2 = b^2 - 2bc + c^2

Collecting like terms,

2 a 2 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = 2 b c 2a^2 - 2\sqrt{(a^2+b^2)(a^2+c^2)} = -2bc

Isolating the square root,

a 2 + ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = b c -a^2 + \sqrt{(a^2+b^2)(a^2+c^2)} = bc

( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = a 2 + b c \sqrt{(a^2+b^2)(a^2+c^2)} = a^2 + bc

Squaring on both sides again and expanding the product of polynomials,

a 4 + a 2 b 2 + a 2 c 2 + b 2 c 2 = a 4 + 2 a 2 b c + b 2 c 2 a^4 + a^2b^2 + a^2c^2 + b^2c^2 = a^4 + 2a^2bc + b^2c^2

a 2 b 2 + a 2 c 2 = 2 a 2 b c a^2b^2 + a^2c^2 = 2a^2bc

a 2 ( b 2 + c 2 2 b c ) = 0 a^2 ( b^2 + c^2 - 2bc ) = 0

Factoring the polynomial,

a 2 ( b c ) 2 = 0 a^2 (b-c)^2 = 0

So either a = 0 a = 0 , giving us 100 100 possible solutions, or a 0 a \not= 0 and b = c b = c , giving us 9 × 10 = 90 9 \times 10 = 90 more solutions.

So, 190.

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Great job!

good

Shumaila Saeed - 7 years, 4 months ago

GREAT!

Valerian Pratama - 7 years, 4 months ago
Jan J.
Sep 23, 2013

First of all since b , c > 0 b,c > 0 we get b 2 = b \sqrt{b^2} = b , c 2 = c \sqrt{c^2} = c , Hence a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} - \sqrt{a^2 + c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2} \Updownarrow a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b c \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} - \sqrt{a^2 + c^2} = b - c \Downarrow 2 a 2 + b 2 + c 2 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = b 2 + c 2 2 b c 2a^2 + b^2 + c^2 - 2\sqrt{(a^2 + b^2)(a^2 + c^2)} = b^2 + c^2 - 2bc \Updownarrow a 2 + b c = ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) a^2 + bc = \sqrt{(a^2 + b^2)(a^2 + c^2)} \Updownarrow ( a 2 + b c ) 2 = ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) (a^2 + bc)^2 = (a^2 + b^2)(a^2 + c^2) \Updownarrow 2 a 2 b c a 2 b 2 a 2 c 2 = 0 2a^2bc - a^2b^2 - a^2c^2 = 0 Now it is important that one step was mere implication, hence we need to also check our solutions, now if a = 0 a = 0 , then b , c { 0 , 1 , 2 , , 9 } b,c \in \{0,1,2,\dots,9\} . If a 0 a \neq 0 , then 2 b c b 2 c 2 = 0 ( b c ) 2 = 0 b = c 2bc - b^2 - c^2 = 0 \Leftrightarrow (b - c)^2 = 0 \Leftrightarrow b = c Hence if a { 1 , 2 , , 9 } a \in \{1,2,\dots,9\} , then ( b , c ) { ( 0 , 0 ) , ( 1 , 1 ) , , ( 9 , 9 ) } (b,c) \in \Big\{(0,0),(1,1),\dots,(9,9)\Big\} Also obviously the original equation holds if b = c b = c or a = 0 a = 0 , hence by combinatorial rule of product there are 10 10 + 10 9 = 190 10 \cdot 10 + 10 \cdot 9 = \boxed{190} solutions.

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Great clear explanation of the double-sided implications, and why those are important.

great

AF Sayed - 7 years, 5 months ago
Adrabi Abderrahim
Sep 23, 2013

let a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} - \sqrt{a^2 + c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2}

if a = 0 a = 0 then:

a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} - \sqrt{a^2 + c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2}

0 2 + b 2 0 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{0^2 + b^2} - \sqrt{0^2 + c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2}

b 2 c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2} = \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2}

and we've number of ordered triples ( 0 , b , c ) (0,b,c) is 10 × 10 = 100 10 \times 10 = 100

if a > 0 a > 0 then must b = c b = c so number of ordered triples ( a , b , b ) = ( a , c , c ) = ( a , b ) = ( a , c ) (a,b,b) = (a,c,c) = (a,b) = (a,c) is 10 × 10 = 100 10 \times 10 = 100

but the triples ( 0 , b , c ) (0,b,c) is repeated twice, when a = 0 a = 0 and b = c b = c so we subtract 10 10 :

( 0 , 0 , 0 ) (0,0,0) ( 0 , 1 , 1 ) (0,1,1) ( 0 , 2 , 2 ) (0,2,2) ... ( 0 , 9 , 9 ) (0,9,9)

then number of ordered triples is 100 + 100 10 = 190 100 + 100 - 10 = 190

i've some miss, big one, when a > 0 a > 0 this mean we have just 9 9 possibilities for a a , and the triples ( a , b , c ) (a,b,c) has b = c b = c , so it's 9 × 10 = 90 9 \times 10 = 90 so the total is 100 + 90 = 190 100 + 90 = 190

ADRABI Abderrahim - 7 years, 8 months ago

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You need to explain why "If a > 0 a> 0 , then must b = c b = c ." That is not obvious.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 8 months ago
Tim Vermeulen
Sep 23, 2013

a 2 + b 2 a 2 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 = b c 2 a 2 + b 2 + c 2 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = b 2 + c 2 2 b c 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = 2 ( a 2 + 2 b c ) 4 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = 4 ( a 2 + 2 b c ) 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) = ( a 2 + 2 b c ) 2 a 4 + a 2 b 2 + a 2 c 2 + b 2 c 2 = a 4 + b 2 c 2 + 2 a 2 b c a 2 ( b 2 + c 2 ) = a 2 ( 2 b c ) \begin{aligned} \sqrt{a^2+b^2} - \sqrt{a^2+c^2} &= \sqrt{b^2} - \sqrt{c^2} = b-c \\ 2a^2+b^2+c^2-2\sqrt{\left( a^2+b^2 \right)\left( a^2+c^2 \right)} &= b^2+c^2-2bc \\ 2\sqrt{\left( a^2+b^2 \right)\left( a^2+c^2 \right)} &= 2 \left( a^2+2bc \right) \\ 4\left( a^2+b^2 \right)\left( a^2+c^2 \right) &= 4 \left( a^2+2bc \right)^2 \\ \left( a^2+b^2 \right)\left( a^2+c^2 \right) &= \left( a^2+2bc \right)^2 \\ a^4+a^2b^2 + a^2c^2 + b^2c^2 &= a^4 + b^2c^2 + 2a^2bc \\ a^2 \left( b^2+c^2 \right) &= a^2 ( 2bc ) \\ \end{aligned}

So a 2 = 0 a = 0 a^2=0 \implies a=0 or b 2 + c 2 = 2 b c b = c b^2+c^2=2bc \implies b=c (by AM-GM).

Hence, by the inclusion-exclusion principle, the number of ordered triples satisfying the constraints is

100 + 100 10 = 190 . 100 + 100 - 10 = \boxed{190}.

This is basically correct, but one has to make sure that all your solutions actually work, or that all your transformations are reversible.

Alexander Borisov - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Right, I should have done that. I felt like a = 0 a=0 and b = c b=c were the trivial solutions (it's probably the first thing that comes to mind), and by using algebra I showed that at least there's no more solutions than that.

Tim Vermeulen - 7 years, 8 months ago
Crystal Shen
Sep 22, 2013

to make this equation valid, a must be equal to zero or b must be equal to c.

There are 100 situations where a=0 and 100 situations where b=c. There are 10 situations that overlap so there 100+100-10=190 possible solutions.

So there are 190 triples of integers that satisfy the equation.

Moderator note:

Remember that your solution should justify the answer, and not simply be "I had a lucky guess".

Exactly what I did. Now that we've got the answer, it seems fine to say that our assumption was valid (a = 0 or b = c is the only possibility). However, I don't think we can simply state it and get away.

Parth Thakkar - 7 years, 8 months ago
Kunal Das
Sep 23, 2013

Simplifying the given equation, we get 2 a 2 b c = a 2 b 2 + a 2 c 2 2a^{2}bc=a^{2}b^{2}+a^{2}c^{2} So, either a = 0 a=0 , or ( b c ) 2 = 0 (b-c)^{2}=0 = > b = c =>b=c When a=0, we get 10 possible values of b and c each. So total possible (a,b,c) combinations are 1 10 10 = 100 1*10*10=100 When b=c, we get 9 possible values of a (1 through 9) and 10 possible values of (b,c) (0 through 10). So total possible (a,b,c) combinations are 9 10 1 = 90 9*10*1=90 Sum total = 100+90=190

This is correct, but more explanation is needed on how the simplification worked. In particular, were all you algebraic transformations reversible?

Alexander Borisov - 7 years, 8 months ago
Kenny Lau
Jan 1, 2014

The statement will be true if b=c or if a=0.

There are 100 cases where b=c and 100 cases where a=0.

And 10 cases are overlapping, therefore are counted twice.

Therefore the number of cases is 100+100-10=190.

The reasons for there being 100 cases where b=c and 100 cases where a=0 are left to the reader as an exercise.

Kishlaya Jaiswal
Sep 28, 2013

Squaring on both sides and then arranging gives us - 2 a 2 + 2 b 2 c 2 = 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( a 2 + c 2 ) 2a^2 + 2\sqrt{b^2c^2}=2\sqrt{(a^2+b^2)(a^2+c^2)} Now again square on both sides and arranging gives us - 2 b 2 c 2 = b 2 + c 2 2\sqrt{b^2c^2} = b^2+c^2 We know that x = x 2 |x|=\sqrt{x^2} So, 2 b c = b 2 + c 2 2 b c 2 b c = ( b c ) 2 2|bc|=b^2+c^2 \Rightarrow 2|bc| - 2bc = (b-c)^2

Since bc is always positive (because questions says a,b,c are integers from (0 - 9) So, 2 b c 2 b c = 0 = ( b c ) 2 b = c 2|bc| - 2bc = 0 = (b-c)^2 \Rightarrow b=c

Case 1 : when b = c b=c , and a a ranges from 1-9, we have 10 × 9 = 90 10\times9 = 90 possiblities

Case 2 : now taking a = 0 a=0 , the equality becomes 0 + b 2 0 + c 2 = b 2 c 2 \sqrt{0+b^2}-\sqrt{0+c^2} = \sqrt{b^2}-\sqrt{c^2} , which is true for all b b and c c . Hence total of 10 × 10 = 100 10\times10=100 possibilities.

Therefore, we get total 190 190 ordered triples of integers ( a , b , c ) (a,b,c) which satisfy the above condition

GREAT JOB

PARAMJEET BHANWALA - 7 years, 5 months ago

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