Common Tangent of Two Curves

Geometry Level 3

The x x -axis is a common tangent of the two curves y = x 2 y = x^{2} and y = x 3 y = x^{3} .

Suppose the slope of the other common tangent (in sky blue) of these two curves is expressed as p q , \frac{p}{q}, where p p and q q are coprime positive integers.

What is p + q ? p+q?


The answer is 91.

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8 solutions

Otto Bretscher
Nov 27, 2018

For the sake of variety, let me suggest a purely algebraic solution, without reference to calculus.

Let's write the common tangent as L ( x ) = m x + b L(x)=mx+b . The discriminant of x 2 L ( x ) = x 2 m x b x^2-L(x)=x^2-mx-b must be 0, meaning that m 2 + 4 b = 0 m^2+4b=0 and b = m 2 4 b=-\frac{m^2}{4} .

The discriminant of x 3 L ( x ) = x 3 m x + m 2 4 x^3-L(x)=x^3-mx+\frac{m^2}{4} must be 0 as well, meaning that 4 m 3 27 m 4 16 = 0 4m^3-\frac{27m^4}{16}=0 . Thus the nonzero value of m m is m = 64 27 m=\frac{64}{27} and the answer is 91 \boxed{91} .

Why should the discriminant be 0??

Mr. India - 2 years, 6 months ago

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The discriminant of a polynomial f ( x ) f(x) is 0 iff f ( x ) f(x) has a multiple root. If L ( x ) L(x) is the tangent to f ( x ) f(x) at a a , then g ( x ) = f ( x ) L ( x ) g(x)=f(x)-L(x) has a multiple root at a a , by definition of the tangent, since g ( a ) = g ( a ) = 0 g(a)=g'(a)=0 .

Otto Bretscher - 2 years, 6 months ago

Yay, same solution, but I didn't know the discriminant for cubics, so I resorted to calculus on the last bit.

Kevin Tong - 2 years, 6 months ago

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It's all good as long as you get the problem done...

Otto Bretscher - 2 years, 6 months ago

repeated root exists

Sridhar Thiagarajan - 2 years, 5 months ago

How to find discriminant for cubic equation & why the discriminant be zero?

Awais Zafar - 2 years, 5 months ago

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The discriminant of a polynomial is the product of the squares of the differences of the roots, up to a constant factor. By definition, the discriminant is 0 if (and only if) the polynomial has multiple roots, which is what we want.

Otto Bretscher - 2 years, 5 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Nov 27, 2018

The gradients of the two curves are given by

{ m 1 = d y d x = 2 x m 2 = d y d x = 3 x 2 \begin{cases} m_1 = \dfrac {dy}{dx} = 2x \\ m_2 = \dfrac {dy}{dx} = 3x^2 \end{cases}

The tangents at ( a 1 , a 1 2 ) (a_1, a_1^2) and ( a 2 , a 2 3 ) (a_2, a_2^3) of curve 1 and curve 2 are

{ y a 1 2 x a 1 = 2 a 1 y = 2 a 1 x a 1 2 y a 2 3 x a 2 = 3 a 2 2 y = 3 a 2 2 x 2 a 2 3 \begin{cases} \dfrac {y-a_1^2}{x-a_1} = 2a_1 & \implies y = 2a_1x - a_1^2 \\ \dfrac {y-a_2^3}{x-a_2} = 3a_2^2 & \implies y = 3a_2^2x - 2a_2^3 \end{cases}

For tangent 1 and tangent 2 to be same, we equate the gradients and the y y -intercept { 2 a 1 = 3 a 2 2 . . . ( 1 ) a 1 2 = 2 a 2 3 . . . ( 2 ) \begin{cases} 2a_1 = 3a_2^2 & ...(1) \\ a_1^2 = 2a_2^3 & ...(2) \end{cases} . From ( 2 ) ( 1 ) : a 1 2 = 2 a 2 3 \dfrac {(2)}{(1)}: \dfrac {a_1}2 = \dfrac {2a_2}3 a 2 = 3 4 a 1 \implies a_2 = \frac 34 a_1 . From ( 1 ) : 2 a 1 = 3 ( 3 4 a 1 ) 2 (1): 2a_1 = 3 \left(\frac 34 a_1\right)^2 a 1 = 32 27 \implies a_1 = \frac {32}{27} . Since gradient of the common tangent m 1 = m 2 = 2 a 1 = 64 27 m_1 = m_2 = 2a_1 = \frac {64}{27} , p + q = 64 + 27 = 91 p+q = 64+27 = \boxed{91} .

Parth Sankhe
Nov 27, 2018

Let the equation of the tangent be y = m x + c y=mx+c

Let the points of contact on y = x 2 y=x^2 and y = x 3 y=x^3 be ( a , a 2 ) (a,a^2) and ( b , b 3 ) (b,b^3) respectively.

Now, m = 2 a m=2a and m = 3 b 2 m=3b^2 . (Slope of tangent = f ( x ) f'(x) )

Also, the tangent passes through the above two points,

a 2 = m a + c a^2=ma+c

b 3 = m b + c b^3=mb+c

Subtracting the above two equations,

a 2 b 3 = m ( a b ) a^2-b^3=m(a-b)

Now, just plug in the values of a a and b b in terms of m m , and cancel out m 3 2 m^{\frac {3}{2}} (thus cancelling out m=0), and you should get the value of m m as 64 27 \frac {64}{27}

y=x^2 dy/dx=2x At (a,a^2)

3b^2=2a 9b^4=4a^2

y=x^3 dy/dx=3x^2 At (b,b^3)

((〖a^2−b〗^3 ))/(a−b)=2a (〖a^2−b〗^3 )=2a(a−b) 〖a^2−b〗^3=2〖a^2−2ab〗^ 9/4b^4 〖−b〗^3=9/2b^4-3b^3 9/4b^ 〖−1〗^ =9/2b-3 2=9/4b b=8/9 b^3=512/729 a=3/2(8/9)^2=32/27

a^2=1024/729 M=(1024/729- 512/729)/(32/27-8/9) M=(512/729)*(27/8)=64/27

y=64/27(x-8/9)-(512/729) y=64/27x-1024/729

Adrian Mizzi - 2 years, 5 months ago
K T
Dec 4, 2018

Suppose the line is tangent to f ( x ) = x 3 f(x)=x^3 in x 1 x_1 and is tangent to g ( x ) = x 2 g(x)=x^2 in x 2 x_2 . Then the slope of the tangent can be expressed in three ways: f ( x 1 ) = g ( x 2 ) = g ( x 2 ) f ( x 1 ) x 2 x 1 f'(x_1)=g'(x_2)=\frac{g(x_2)-f(x_1)}{x_2-x_1} . So 3 x 1 2 = 2 x 2 = x 2 2 x 1 3 x 2 x 1 3x_1^2=2x_2=\frac{x_2^2-x_1^3}{x_2-x_1} .

Substitute x 2 = 3 2 x 1 2 x_2= \frac{3}{2}x_1^2 to get

3 x 1 2 = 9 4 x 1 4 x 1 3 3 2 x 1 2 x 1 3x_1^2=\frac{\frac{9}{4}x_1^4-x_1^3}{\frac{3}{2}x_1^2-x_1} . Since x 1 0 x_1\neq 0 we can simplify this to

3 ( 6 x 1 2 4 x 1 ) = 9 x 1 2 4 x 1 3 (6x_1^2-4x_1)=9x_1^2-4x_1 and further to

9 x 1 8 = 0 9x_1-8=0

x 1 = 8 9 x_1=\frac{8}{9}

The slope then is 3 x 1 2 = 64 / 27 3x_1^2=64/27 , and our answer is 64 + 27 = 91 64+27=91

Rocco Dalto
Dec 2, 2018

Let f ( x ) = x 2 f(x) = x^2 and g ( x ) = x 3 g(x) = x^3 and a a and b b be real numbers.

f ( a ) = 2 a = g ( b ) = 3 b 2 a = 3 2 b 2 f'(a) = 2a = g'(b) = 3b^2 \implies a = \dfrac{3}{2}b^2 .

A : ( a , a 2 ) = ( 3 2 b 2 , 9 4 b 4 ) A:(a,a^2) = (\dfrac{3}{2}b^2,\dfrac{9}{4}b^4) and B : ( b , b 3 ) m A B = b 2 ( 9 b 4 ) 2 ( 3 b 2 ) = 3 b 2 B:(b,b^3) \implies m_{AB} = \dfrac{b^2(9b - 4)}{2(3b - 2)} = 3b^2 and b 0 b = 8 9 m A B = 64 27 = p q p + q = 91 b \neq 0 \implies b = \dfrac{8}{9} \implies m_{AB} = \dfrac{64}{27} = \dfrac{p}{q} \implies p + q = \boxed{91} .

What does "(in sky blue)" mean?

The picture is now available, that line is in sky blue.

X X - 2 years, 6 months ago

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I thought there was a graph, but I didn't see anything.

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago

This solution would be improved with a few more words to explain what the terms like a,b represent. As it stands I think anyone reading it may need to do as much work to understand it as they would need to solve the problem itself.

Malcolm Rich - 2 years, 6 months ago

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I added some information if it helps.

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago
Abraham Zhang
Dec 2, 2018

Let the intersection of the tangent line and y = x 3 y=x^3 be at ( a , a 3 ) (a,a^3) . Then the tangent line is in the form y a 3 = 3 a 2 ( x a ) y-a^3=3a^2(x-a) . This tangent line must intersect y = x 2 y=x^2 , and be tangent to it: m ( = 3 a 2 ) = 2 x m(=3a^2)=2x . Solving these 3 3 equations for m m , we get m = 64 27 m = \frac{64}{27} .

Garv Khurana
Dec 6, 2018

Let the points of tangency be "a" on x^3 and "b" on x^2. Then the slope of the tangent line for x^3 with tangency point "a" is f'(a)=3a^2. Similarly, the slope of the tangent line for x^2 with tangency point b is f'(b)=2b.

So we can write the linear tangent lines in the form of y=(3a^2)x+c and y=2bx+d, where c and d are constants for constant values of a and b. For (3a^2)x+c to be tangent to x^3 at a, it follows that the tangency point must be (a,a^3).

This implies (3a^2) a+c=a^3. Then 3a^3+c=a^3, so c=-2a^3. We can use the same logic for the tangent line 2bx+d. The tangency point will be (b,b^2), so 2b b+d=b^2, which will mean d=-b^2.

So our tangent lines are (3a^2)x-2a^3, and 2bx-b^2. In order for the tangent lines to be the same line, their slopes and constants must be equal. This means 2b=3a^2 and -b^2=-2a^3. So b^2=2a^3 and 2b=3a^2.

Consider dividing the second equation by the first. Then b^2/2b=2a^3/3a^2, which results in b/2=2a/3, which means b=4a/3. Plugging this into our second equation gives us 2*4a/3=3a^2, so 8a/3=3a^2, so 3a=8/3, so a=8/9.

Now we can plug in the value of "a" into 3a^2 (the slope of the tangent line), to find the slope is 3*64/81, giving us the slope to be 64/27=p/q. Since 64 and 27 are relatively prime, our answer is 64+27= 91 .

Vinod Kumar
Dec 4, 2018

Tangent to curve y=f(x) at point 'a' is given by

y=f(a)+(x-a){(d/dx)(f(x)}@a.

Applying,

(1)Tangent to y=x^3 at x1 is

y=3(x1^2)x - 2(x1)^3

(2)Tangent to y=x^2 at x2 is

y=2(x2)x - (x2)^2

Equating,

3(x1)^2=2(x2)

and

2(x1)^3=(x2)^2,

we get x1=8/9 and x2=32/27.

The slope = 2(x2) = 3(x1^2) = 64/27.

Answer=91

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