Complicated symbols make this problem easy

Algebra Level 3

Given the system b + a + { c } = 16 \lfloor b\rfloor+ \lceil a\rceil+ \{c\}=16 c + b + { a } = 11.3 \lfloor c\rfloor+ \lceil b\rceil +\{a\}=11.3 a + c + { b } = 9.7 , \lfloor a\rfloor+ \lceil c\rceil +\{b\}=9.7 , what is a + b + c a+b+c ?

Note:
x \lfloor x\rfloor Represents the floor function, which takes the greatest integer smaller or equal to x.
x \lceil x\rceil represents the ceiling function, which takes the smallest integer greater or equal to x.
Finally, { x } \{x\} represents the fractional part function.


The answer is 18.

This section requires Javascript.
You are seeing this because something didn't load right. We suggest you, (a) try refreshing the page, (b) enabling javascript if it is disabled on your browser and, finally, (c) loading the non-javascript version of this page . We're sorry about the hassle.

5 solutions

Daniel Liu
Jul 7, 2014

We note that the only part contributing to the fractional part of the RHS is the { a } \{a\} , { b } \{b\} , and { c } \{c\} terms.

Thus, if we let a = a i + a f a=a_i+a_f ( a i a_i is integer part, and a f a_f is fractional part) and ditto for the others, then a f = 0.3 a_f=0.3 , b f = 0.7 b_f=0.7 , and c f = 0 c_f=0 .

Now we simplify the system of equations into the following: b i + a i + 1 + 0 = 16 c i + b i + 1 + 0.3 = 11.3 a i + c i + 0.7 = 9.7 \begin{array}{l}b_i+a_i+1+0=16\\ c_i+b_i+1+0.3=11.3\\ a_i+c_i+0.7=9.7\end{array}

Simplifying:

b i + a i = 15 c i + b i = 10 a i + c i = 9 \begin{array}{l}b_i+a_i=15\\ c_i+b_i=10\\ a_i+c_i=9\end{array}

Adding the equations up and dividing by 2 2 , we see that a i + b i + c i = 17 a_i+b_i+c_i=17 .

Thus, a i = 17 10 = 7 a_i=17-10=7 , b i = 17 9 = 8 b_i=17-9=8 , and c i = 17 15 = 2 c_i=17-15=2 .

Thus, ( a , b , c ) = ( 7.3 , 8.7 , 2 ) (a,b,c)=(7.3,8.7,2) and our answer is 7.3 + 8.7 + 2 = 18 7.3+8.7+2=\boxed{18} .

Same solution.

mietantei conan - 6 years, 11 months ago

You see there's a smart way represent the floor and ceiling function in terms of a, b, c, then add all the equation wherein you get 2(a + b + c) + 1 = 37. Thus a+b+c = 18

Krishna Viswanathan - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Cool! Mind if you show it?

Joeie Christian Santana - 6 years, 10 months ago

Why have you added ones to first two ones? Is it because the third doesn't have a fractional part?

Jayakumar Krishnan - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Because the ceiling value of a will be one more than the floor value. The floor value will be the integer part of a (he denotes using a subscript i) and so the ceiling value is ai +1

Nicolas Bryenton - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Thx! :) ....

Jayakumar Krishnan - 6 years, 11 months ago

But a+b=16 and not 15...... b=8.7, a=7.3, c=2

Shishir G. - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Yes. a+b = 16 but a i a_{i} + b i b_{i} = 15.

Aditya Daga - 6 years, 11 months ago

I did the same jaja

Ángela Flores - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

I did the same jaja

math man - 6 years, 8 months ago

Exactly Same Solution

Kushagra Sahni - 5 years, 8 months ago

Hey Daniel......, i want to why u adding 1 with fractional parts. ......

Prashant Sharma - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

This is because for all non-integer x x , we have that x = x + 1 \lceil x \rceil = \lfloor x\rfloor+1 .

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

Can u explain me.why u don't add 1 to third equation?

hardeep Grewal - 6 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

This is because we know that c c is an integer, so c = c \lceil c \rceil =\lfloor c \rfloor instead of the usual c = c + 1 \lceil c \rceil =\lfloor c \rfloor+1 if c c was not an integer.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

Because C is already an integer, therefore you don't have to add 1 to the ceiling. After all, the closest integer to C is C!

Nick Okita - 6 years, 11 months ago
Jeffery Li
Jul 7, 2014

First, we note that x = x + { x } x=\lfloor{x}\rfloor+\{x\} .

Therefore, when we add the equations, we get:

a + b + c + { a } + { b } + { c } + a + b + c = 16 + 11.3 + 9.7 a + b + c + a + b + c = 37 \begin{array}{c}\\ \lfloor{a}\rfloor+\lfloor{b}\rfloor+\lfloor{c}\rfloor+\{a\}+\{b\}+\{c\}+\lceil{a}\rceil+\lceil{b}\rceil+\lceil{c}\rceil=16+11.3+9.7 \\ a+b+c+\lceil{a}\rceil+\lceil{b}\rceil+\lceil{c}\rceil=37 \end{array}

Since x \lfloor{x}\rfloor and x \lceil{x}\rceil are always integers and 0 { x } < 1 0\le\{x\}<1 , we conclude that { a } = 0.3 \{a\}=0.3 , { b } = 0.7 \{b\}=0.7 , and { c } = 0 \{c\}=0 . Therefore,

a = a { a } + 1 = a + 1 0.3 = a + 0.7 b = b { b } + 1 = b + 1 0.7 = b + 0.3 c = c \begin{array}{c}\\ \lceil{a}\rceil=a-\{a\}+1=a+1-0.3=a+0.7 \\ \lceil{b}\rceil=b-\{b\}+1=b+1-0.7=b+0.3 \\ \lceil{c}\rceil=c \end{array}

(Note, since c c has no fractional part (or { c } = 0 \{c\}=0 ), c = c \lceil{c}\rceil=c .)

Plugging that into the above equation gives:

a + b + c + ( a + 0.7 ) + ( b + 0.3 ) + c = 37 2 a + 2 b + 2 c + 1 = 37 2 a + 2 b + 2 c = 36 a + b + c = 18 \begin{array}{c}\\ a+b+c+(a+0.7)+(b+0.3)+c=37 \\ 2a+2b+2c+1=37 \\ 2a+2b+2c=36 \\ a+b+c=\boxed{18} \end{array}

Thats one of my solutions

Joshua Ong - 6 years, 11 months ago

Ah, a clever solution that does not find the values of a , b a,b , and c c

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

I solved the same way

Ishan Shah - 6 years, 11 months ago

ah i got stuck after the first part; i completely disregarded integers for the second deductive reasoning

Alex Yu - 6 years, 11 months ago
Tejasvi Parupudi
Sep 12, 2014

Since fractional sums of a b and c add up to 1, it leaves sum of ceiling and floor functions to be 19 + 17 respectively, but since they are counted twice, dividing by two gives the value of just the values of a+b+c to be 36/2 = 18

The equations reduced to the following, note......{a} =.3,.....{b} = .7,.....{c} = 0.
b + a + 1 + 0 = 16... c + b + 1 + . 3 = 11.3.. a + c + 1 + . 7 = 9.7 \lfloor b \rfloor+\lfloor a \rfloor+1+0 = 16... \lfloor c \rfloor+\lfloor b \rfloor+1+ .3 = 11.3.. \lfloor a \rfloor+\lfloor c \rfloor +1+ .7 = 9.7 Adding the three equations and noting that c is an integer,
2 ( a + b + c ) = 34...... a + . 3 + b + . 7 + c + 0 = 17 + 1.... a + b + c = 18 2( \lfloor a \rfloor+\lfloor b \rfloor + c )=34...... \lfloor a \rfloor + .3 + \lfloor b \rfloor + .7 + c + 0 = 17 + 1.... a+b+c=18

Sajjan Barnwal
Jul 7, 2014

take\quad \left\lfloor a \right\rfloor =a+\left{ a \right} \quad and\quad \left\lceil a \right\rceil =a+1-\left{ a \right} \ and\quad we\quad can\quad notice\quad that\quad { a} =0.3\quad and\quad { b} =0.7\quad and\quad { c} =0\ adding\quad all\quad three\quad equaltions\quad we\quad get\quad a+b+c=18


LaTeX {\LaTeX} 'ed:

take a = a + { a } \left\lfloor a \right\rfloor =a+\left\{ a \right\} and a = a + 1 { a } \left\lceil a \right\rceil =a+1-\left\{ a \right\}

and we can notice that { a } = 0.3 \{ a\} =0.3 and { b } = 0.7 \{ b\} =0.7 and { c } = 0 \{ c\} =0

adding all three equations we get a + b + c = 18 a+b+c=18

FYI - To type equations in Latex, you just need to add around your math code, as opposed to all of the text. This also means that you don't have to type \quad in order to keep spaced between your text.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 11 months ago

0 pending reports

×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...