Cone Surface Dynamics

A particle is confined to the surface of a cone, and has the following coordinates:

x = r cos θ y = r sin θ z = r x = r \cos \theta \\ y = r \sin \theta \\ z = r

At time t = 0 t = 0 , the position and velocity are:

r = 1 θ = 0 r ˙ = 0 θ ˙ = 10 r = 1 \\ \theta = 0 \\ \dot{r} = 0 \\ \dot{\theta} = 10

At time t = 10 t = 10 , what is the z z coordinate of the particle?

Details and Assumptions:
1) Gravitational acceleration is 10 10 in the negative z z direction
2) Angles are in radians

Bonus: Plot the trajectory in the x z x z plane out to t = 100 t = 100 and t = 200 t = 200


The answer is 3.56.

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1 solution

Karan Chatrath
May 1, 2020

The equations of motion can be easily derived using the Lagrangian approach. Let:

m = 1 m =1

The kinetic energy of the particle reads:

T = 1 2 ( 2 r ˙ 2 + r 2 θ ˙ 2 ) T = \frac{1}{2}\left(2 \dot{r}^2 +r^2 \dot{\theta}^2\right) V = 10 r V = 10r

Lagrange's equations read:

d d t ( T r ˙ ) T r + V r = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial \dot{r}}\right) - \frac{\partial T}{\partial r} + \frac{\partial V}{\partial r}=0 r ¨ = r θ ˙ 2 2 5 ( 1 ) \implies \ddot{r} = \frac{r \dot{\theta}^2}{2} - 5 \ \dots (1)

d d t ( T θ ˙ ) T θ + V θ = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial \dot{\theta}}\right) - \frac{\partial T}{\partial \theta} + \frac{\partial V}{\partial \theta}=0 d d t ( T θ ˙ ) = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial \dot{\theta}}\right)=0 r 2 θ ˙ = K r^2 \dot{\theta} = K

Applying initial conditions to the above equation gives:

r 2 θ ˙ = 10 ( 2 ) r^2 \dot{\theta} = 10 \ \dots (2)

Replacing (2) in (1) gives:

r ¨ = 50 r 3 5 \ddot{r} = \frac{50}{r^3} - 5 r 2 θ ˙ = 10 r^2 \dot{\theta} = 10

Solving the above numerically gives the required result. As for the trajectory, the particle seems to be confined to a 'bucket' as seen in the following figures:

Upto t = 200 t=200

Upto t = 100 t =100


The solution was also attempted analytically and I made some headway but could not proceed beyond a point.


Derivation using Newton's laws:

Consider the particle to be on any point on the given conical surface.

x = r cos θ x = r \cos{\theta} y = r sin θ y = r \sin{\theta} z = r z = r

Now, as the particle slides on the conical surface. It experiences the following forces:

  • Gravity along the negative Z-direction
  • Reaction force as the particle is in contact with the surface. Note that the reaction force is always normal to the surface.

The equation of the cone can easily be derived by seeing that:

x 2 + y 2 = z 2 x^2 + y^2 = z^2 Φ = x 2 + y 2 z 2 = 0 \Phi = x^2 + y^2 - z^2 = 0

A vector normal to this surface can be computed as such:

Φ = n = [ 2 x 2 y 2 z ] \nabla \Phi = \vec{n} = \left[\begin{matrix} 2x \\ 2y \\ -2z \end{matrix}\right]

The corresponding unit vector is:

n ^ = 1 x 2 + y 2 + z 2 [ x y z ] \hat{n} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}}\left[\begin{matrix} x \\ y \\ -z \end{matrix}\right]

Substituting x x , y y and z z gives:

n ^ = 1 2 [ cos θ sin θ 1 ] \hat{n} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left[\begin{matrix} \cos{\theta} \\ \sin{\theta} \\ -1 \end{matrix}\right]

Now, let the reaction force be N N . Applying Newton's second law:

m [ x ¨ y ¨ z ¨ ] = [ 0 0 m g ] + N 2 [ cos θ sin θ 1 ] m \left[\begin{matrix} \ddot{x} \\ \ddot{y} \\ \ddot{z} \end{matrix}\right] = \left[\begin{matrix} 0\\ 0 \\ -mg\end{matrix}\right] + \frac{N}{\sqrt{2}}\left[\begin{matrix} \cos{\theta} \\ \sin{\theta} \\ -1 \end{matrix}\right]

Let:

N 2 = P \frac{N}{\sqrt{2}} = P

The equations of motion are:

m [ x ¨ y ¨ z ¨ ] = [ 0 0 m g ] + P [ cos θ sin θ 1 ] m \left[\begin{matrix} \ddot{x} \\ \ddot{y} \\ \ddot{z} \end{matrix}\right] = \left[\begin{matrix} 0\\ 0 \\ -mg\end{matrix}\right] +P\left[\begin{matrix} \cos{\theta} \\ \sin{\theta} \\ -1 \end{matrix}\right]

Now:

m z ¨ = r ¨ m\ddot{z} = \ddot{r}

r ¨ = g P \ddot{r} = -g - P P = g r ¨ \implies P = -g - \ddot{r}

Replacing P P in the equations for x ¨ \ddot{x} and y ¨ \ddot{y} and and also writing x ¨ \ddot{x} and y ¨ \ddot{y} in terms of r r , θ \theta , r ˙ \dot{r} , θ ˙ \dot{\theta} , r ¨ \ddot{r} , θ ¨ \ddot{\theta} gives us two massive equations. Solving those equations for r ¨ \ddot{r} , θ ¨ \ddot{\theta} finally gives:

r ¨ = r θ ˙ 2 2 g 2 \ddot{r} = \frac{r \dot{\theta}^2}{2} - \frac{g}{2} θ ¨ = 2 r ˙ θ ˙ r \ddot{\theta} = -\frac{2 \dot{r} \dot{\theta}}{r}

@Karan Chatrath Please solve through Newton law's of motion

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I have added more details to my solution at the end. Hope it helps. Also, this should tell you why I prefer the Lagrangian approach. Try doing it yourself also.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year, 1 month ago

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