Confusing c c

Algebra Level 5

y = x 2 + 2 x + c x 2 + 4 x + 3 c y=\dfrac{x^2+2x+c}{x^2+4x+3c}

If the set of real values of c c for which y y can take all real values for x R x\in \mathbb{R} is in the form ( a , b ) (a,b) , then find a + b a+b .


The answer is 1.0000.

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2 solutions

Rishabh Jain
Jul 21, 2016

Rearranging (forming a quadratic in x x ), we get:

( y 1 ) x 2 + 2 ( 2 y 1 ) x + 3 c y c = 0 (y-1)x^2+2(2y-1)x+3cy-c=0

Since x R x\in\mathbb R , discriminant of this quadratic must be non negative i.e:

( 2 y 1 ) 2 ( 3 c y c ) ( y 1 ) 0 \not4(2y-1)^2-\not4(3cy-c)(y-1)\ge 0

( 4 3 c ) y 2 + 4 ( c 1 ) y ( c 1 ) 0 \iff (4-3c)y^2+4(c-1)y-(c-1)\ge 0

Now for this to hold for all y R y\in \mathbb R , we need to insure leading coefficient is positive (i.e c < 4 3 c<\dfrac 43 ) and discriminant is non positive i.e:

4 ( c 1 ) 2 + ( c 1 ) ( 4 3 c ) 0 4(c-1)^2+(c-1)(4-3c)\le 0

( c 1 ) ( 4 c 4 + 4 3 c ) 0 \iff (c-1)(4c-4+4-3c)\le 0

( c 1 ) ( c ) 0 \iff (c-1)(c)\le 0

c [ 0 , 1 ] \iff c\in[0,1]

( I ) c = 0 \color{#3D99F6}{(I)c=0}

y = x ( x + 2 ) x ( x + 4 ) = 1 2 x + 4 , x 0 y=\dfrac{\cancel x(x+2)}{\cancel x(x+4)}=1-\dfrac{2}{x+4},x\ne 0

Its apparent that y y can take all real values except 1 ( 2 x + 4 0 ) 1~(\small{\because \dfrac{2}{x+4}\ne 0}) and also 1 2 \frac 12 since x 0 x\ne 0 , so that range is not R \mathbb R . Hence c 0 c\ne 0

( I I ) c = 1 \color{#3D99F6}{(II)c=1}

y = ( x + 1 ) 2 ( x + 1 ) ( x + 3 ) = 1 2 x + 3 , x 1 y=\dfrac{(x+1)^{\cancel 2}}{\cancel{(x+1)}(x+3)}=1-\dfrac{2}{x+3},x\ne -1

Its apparent that y y can take all real values except 1 ( 2 x + 3 0 ) 1~(\small{\because\dfrac{2}{x+3}\ne 0}) and also 0 0 since x 1 x\ne -1 , so that range is not R \mathbb R . Hence c 1 c\ne 1

Finally we conclude c ( 0 , 1 ) \boxed{c\in(0,1)}

0 + 1 = 1 \large 0+1=\boxed 1

It's possible that I'm reading the question incorrectly, but... If c = 0 c=0 , then y y would not be able to take x = 4 x=-4 since that would result in dividing by 0 0 . If c = 1 c=1 , then y y would not be able to take x = 3 x=-3 since that would result in dividing by 0 0 . Doesn't that make 0 0 and 1 1 not possible values for c c ?

Louis W - 4 years, 10 months ago

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Correct... Next time you spot an error in any question, do bother to file a report in reports section so that it notifies the problem poser.

Rishabh Jain - 4 years, 10 months ago

You would also have to check what happens when the denominator is 0, because we are not allowed to multiply by 0.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 10 months ago

@Rishabh Cool hello , why did you check only for the boundary values c =0 and c=1 , it may be possible that the numerator and denominator get a common factor for c belonging strictly between 0 and 1 (0 and 1 excluded) , in that case also we would have to exclude that particular value of c .Or else how do you prove that there is no value of c between 0 and 1 which brings about a common factor in the numerator and denominator .

Ujjwal Mani Tripathi - 4 years, 10 months ago

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That's what the whole method is for.. !! We only need to check for equality cases at the closing and opening of intervals whether the equality holds true or not and that's what I did.

Rishabh Jain - 4 years, 10 months ago

I don't think 0 and 1 should be included in the range for c. In addition to the problem of denominator 0 as Calvin and Louis mentioned, even if we cancel out the 0 denominator, for c = 0 we get y = (x+2)/(x+4), which we can not get the value of y = 1(can approach it as the horizontal asymptote). Similarly, for c = 1 we get y = (x+1)/(x+3), again we can never get the value of y = 1.

In short, the correct way to phrase the problem should be c in the form of (a, b), not [a,b].

Wei Chen - 4 years, 10 months ago

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Ya... You are correct. But note when c = 0 c=0 , y , y cannot take 1 2 \frac 12 as well along with 1 1 since we aren't supposed to take x = 0 x=0 since it'd result in 0 / 0 0/0 form. Same way when c = 1 c=1 , y ,y cannot take 0 0 as well along with not taking 1 1 by a similar reason. In future if you spot any error do report the question in report section. Thanks.

Rishabh Jain - 4 years, 10 months ago

@Rishabh Cool most probably you are right , but I am unable to understand this ; will you please elaborate it more .

Ujjwal Mani Tripathi - 4 years, 10 months ago

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Can you point out specifically where in the solution ?

Rishabh Jain - 4 years, 10 months ago
Dhruv Joshi
Aug 16, 2016

Yo! akshat similar problem of kj sir

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