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Geometry Level 3

A quarter circle with radius 4 units has a circle inscribed in it. Find the diameter of the inscribed circle (in units). Give your answer to 3 decimal places.


The answer is 3.314.

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25 solutions

Pratik Soni
Nov 22, 2014

draw the remaining 3 circles inside the circle(so each quarter has a small circle).

So you have 4 touching circles.

the centers of these 4 small circles form a square.

the side of the square would be 2r (r is the radius of the smaller circle)

the diagonal of the square + 2r = diameter of the larger circle

2r sqrt{2} + 2r = 8

Solving for 2r,

2r = 8/(sqrt{2} + 1) approx 3.3137

You are a genius @Pratik Soni sir upvoted

sandeep Rathod - 6 years, 6 months ago

It will be best if you add graphical marked diagram

Syed Baqir - 5 years, 9 months ago

Damn silly mistake. God damned

Shreyash Rai - 5 years, 5 months ago

Nice thought : ) :)

Atul Shivam - 5 years, 7 months ago

Great solution! I used the exact same method.

Seth Lovelace - 5 years, 9 months ago

how do you know that diagonal of the square and point of contact of two opposite smaller circle an d big circle are collinear . we cannot say under root 2r +2r is diagonal until we prove that the points are collinear

genius literally - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Plz try using coordinate geometry

Zahid Rashid - 5 years, 1 month ago

Nice.I almost right in this problem.

Nguyễn Hằng - 5 years, 7 months ago

i think the question given there is wrong.... coz it has many different answers, just as ua one and one more here... draw two more small circles, join the centre of the three circle, u will get a rt trangle.. now base and the perpndicular will be equal, as they hv same length of2r = X, calculate for the hypotns,, it will be X sq + Xsq = H sq or Xsq = H,, now hyp + base =diametre of the large circle.. i, e Xsq +X = 8 or Xcube =8 or X=2, or 2r = 2 or r=1

Atty Han - 6 years, 6 months ago

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Xsq+Xsq=Hsq then sqrt2 * X = H you've written Xsq = H so sqrt2 * X + X = 8 then X= 8/(1.414+1) X=8/2.414 X=3.314

Lokesh Naani - 6 years, 6 months ago

How above Xsq=H

Zahid Rashid - 5 years, 1 month ago

how do you know that the triangle will pass through the centre of larger circle

Nikitesh Soneji - 6 years, 5 months ago

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The triangle has to go through the center because two of its sides are the radii of the larger circle. Basic geometry.

John Church - 6 years, 5 months ago
Kenny Lau
Nov 23, 2014

  • Let the center of the small circle be O.
  • Let the points where the small circle touches the red lines be A and B in any order (it's symmetrical).
  • Let the point where the small circle touch the big circle be M.
  • We have: O A = O B = O M = r OA=OB=OM=r where r is the radius of the small circle.
  • Let the center of the big circle be C.
  • We have C M = 4 CM=4 .
  • We have O C = O A 2 + O B 2 OC=\sqrt{OA^2+OB^2} by Pythagorus' Theorem.
  • We have O C = r 2 + r 2 = 2 r OC=\sqrt{r^2+r^2}=\sqrt2r .
  • We have O C + O M = 4 OC+OM=4 .
  • Therefore we have 2 r + r = 4 \sqrt2r+r=4 .
  • Therefore ( 2 + 1 ) r = 4 (\sqrt2+1)r=4 .
  • Therefore r = 4 2 + 1 r=\frac4{\sqrt2+1} .
  • Therefore the diameter is 8 2 + 1 \frac8{\sqrt2+1} .

I think problem is overrated

Atul Shivam - 5 years, 7 months ago

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I agree. Not a level 5 problem.

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 6 months ago

Great ....... !!!!very well explained...

Simran Kaur - 6 years, 6 months ago

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The solution has to be geometrically. Very well explained...it is great.......!!!.

Eduardo Villafuerte - 5 years, 10 months ago

beautifully framed answer..............

bhumika sharma - 5 years, 8 months ago

I did the same way.. just easy one.

Bhupendra Jangir - 5 years, 10 months ago

The solution has to be geometrically. Very well explained...it is great.......!!!.

Eduardo Villafuerte - 5 years, 10 months ago

Great solution!! Upvoted ¨ \ddot \smile

Akshat Sharda - 5 years, 8 months ago

Did the same.

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 6 months ago

I did it in a similar way

Deepak Pant - 4 years, 10 months ago

How OC^2= OA^2 + OB^2

Raj Mantri - 4 years, 4 months ago

This is what exactly I did

Atul Shivam - 5 years, 7 months ago

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same, how is this level 5...

KiXiao Cheng Leong - 5 years, 7 months ago
Paulo Mirabel
Dec 20, 2014

Consider right angl tri. with sides a,a,a+x. the hyp is sqrt. of a. Now dia. of larger circle=a+sqrt of a=4.solve :-).....no angles required!!!

Vignesh Rajendran - 6 years, 4 months ago

Mine is Same method

kishor hole - 6 years, 3 months ago
Gamal Sultan
Nov 21, 2014

Let the center of the bigger circle be M. Let the center of the small circle be N. Let the point of contact of the two circles be A. MN = (square root of 2) R, where R is the radius of the small circle. MA = 4 = (square root of 2) R + R Then R = 4 / [(square root of 2) + 1] = 1.656854 The diameter = 2 R = 3.3137

sir i did'nt understood why M N = 2 R ? MN = \sqrt{2}R?

sandeep Rathod - 6 years, 6 months ago

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if the two points of contact are A and B respectively then MANB will form a square because all sides will be equal and the angle between them will be 90(you can prove that by congruency of triangles) . MN will be the diagonal of the square MANB. so MN = squareroot of R.

Harshita Moondra - 6 years, 6 months ago

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In your result but how can u decide that MA = 1/2 of R(big circle's radius) if u draw the figure it doesn't seems to be exactly half of radius it would be some less than it no doubt the MANB will be square but how can we judge or come to result that the length of sides will be 1/2 of R by drawing it in paint it seems to be answer 2.65 to 2.67

shreedhar dalal - 6 years, 5 months ago

Length of the diagonal of a square= √2 times the length of the side of a square

Kiddo Joy - 6 years, 5 months ago

boss...........MN=diagonal of the squir with sides equal to R

Tcroy Chacko - 6 years, 5 months ago

Thank you very much Mr. Gamal

Yousef Mahran - 6 years, 2 months ago
Kartik Sharma
Nov 27, 2014

I did it using a lesser known Tangent Secant Theorem

Let O be the center of the circle and A be the point when the radius of the bigger circle touches the smaller circle tangentially.

Also, let B be the point when the smaller circle touches the circumference of the bigger circle.

Join OB and let the point on which OB touches the smaller circle(circumference) only be C.

Now, by Tangent Secant Theorem,

O A 2 = ( O B ) ( O C ) {OA}^{2} = (OB)*(OC)

Let the radius of the smaller circle be a a .

a 2 = 4 ( 4 2 a ) {a}^{2} = 4(4-2a)

a 2 + 8 a 16 = 0 {a}^{2} + 8a - 16 = 0

Now using quadratic formula,

a = 4 ( 2 1 ) a = 4(\sqrt{2} - 1)

Hence, diameter = 2 a = 8 ( 2 1 ) 2a = 8(\sqrt{2} -1)

= 3.314 = \boxed{3.314}

Let radius of circle be r . And ABCD is a square since all angles are right and two adjacent sides are equal.

Now, in triangle ABC, A C = 2 r AC = \sqrt { 2 } r . So, C E = 4 2 r CE = 4 - \sqrt { 2 } r .

But C E = r CE = r .

So, equating both and solving , we get r = 4 2 + 1 r = \frac { 4 }{ \sqrt { 2 } +1 } .

Diameter = 2 r = 8 2 + 1 = 3.314 = 2 r = \frac { 8 }{ \sqrt { 2 } +1 } = 3.314 .

Moderator note:

Simple standard approach.

Note: To type in Latex, you just need to add the brackets \ ( \ ) \backslash( \quad \backslash) . I've edited your solution so you can see how it's done. You got all of the Latex phrasing correct!

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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thank you bro...

Sriram Vudayagiri - 5 years, 11 months ago

Same method. High five!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago
Vinit Béléy
Nov 21, 2014

Lets put the circles in a cartesian space, with the centre of the larger circle at (0,0). The two radii in red are (4,0) and (0,-4) of course. Since the smaller circle is in the 4th quadrant, the centre will be at (r,-r) and the tangents touching the radii are at (r,0) and (0,-r) resp. This implies that 0 < r < 4.

Now. Lets form equations of the two circles:

x² + y² = 16 --> 1

(x - r)² + (y + r)² = r² --> 2

We will use these later.

Note that the line joining the centre of two circles and the meeting point of two circles fall on the same line. And the angle is -45˚. Therefore the equation of this line is

y = -x --> 3

and this satisfies equations 1 and 2.

Solving with equation 1, we get the tangent point to be (2√2 , -2√2)

Using these values in Equation 2, we get

r = 4(√2 - 1)

Therefore diameter = 8(√2 - 1) = 3.3137

you are great !

Mohsin Ahsan - 6 years, 6 months ago

t a n tan 45 = 45 = x r = 1 \frac{x}{r} = 1

x = r x = r

y = 4 r y = 4 - r

By Pythagorean Theorem, we have

y 2 = x 2 + r 2 y^2 = x^2 + r^2

But we know that x = r x=r and y = 4 r y=4-r , so we substitute

( 4 r ) 2 = r 2 + r 2 (4-r)^2 = r^2 + r^2

16 8 r + r 2 = 2 r 2 16 - 8r + r^2 = 2r^2

16 8 r = r 2 16 - 8r = r^2

r 2 + 8 r 16 = 0 r^2 + 8r - 16 = 0

By using the quadratic formula, we have

r = 4 ( 2 1 ) = 1.657 r = 4(\sqrt{2} - 1) = 1.657 u n i t s units

d = 2 r = 2 ( 1.657 ) = 3.314 d = 2r = 2(1.657) = 3.314 u n i t s units

The best solution so far.

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago
Rohit Joshi
Dec 11, 2014

Draw radius from Center of Bigger circle through center of smaller circle. This will bisect the quadrant, let us call it 'L'

Draw a perpendicular from one of the tangent of smaller circle to center of smaller circle.

Let us say radius of smaller circle is r

L = r + x L = r + x

and we have r x = cos 45 = 1 2 \frac{r}{x} = \cos 45 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

By Substitution you get

r = 4 ( 1 + 2 ) r = \frac{4}{(1+\sqrt{2})}

So diameter d = 2 r = 3.31 d = 2r = 3.31

Bill Bell
Jan 14, 2016

Treat it as an optimisation problem. Think of a family of circles starting as a point at the origin growing to fill the quadrant. If the radius of one of these circles is r r then the formula for the distance from the origin to the outer edge of the circle is straightforward and can be compared with the radius of the larger circle. Then minimise the difference between these two values.

Uahbid Dey
Sep 10, 2015

Aman Gupta
Jul 15, 2015

Use cartesion method assume centre of big circleA(0,0)and centre of smaller circleB(r,-r) ,where 'r' is the radius of smaller circle. And distance between both centres is(4-r)=d. Now apply AB=d. By this u can get value of r and now find the diametre 2r.

Esrael Santillan
Jul 4, 2015
  • R = 4 R = 4
  • r = r = radius of small circle
  • d = 2 r = d = 2r = diameter of small circle R = r + r 2 + r 2 = r + r 2 = r ( 1 + 2 ) r = R 1 + 2 d = 2 r = 2 R 1 + 2 = 2 ( 4 ) 1 + 2 3.3137084995 r 3.314 \begin{aligned} R &= r + \sqrt{r^2 + r^2} \\ &= r + r\sqrt{2} \\ &= r(1+\sqrt{2}) \\ r &= \frac{R}{1+\sqrt{2}} \\ d = 2r &= \frac{2R}{1+\sqrt{2}} \\ &= \frac{2(4)}{1+\sqrt{2}} \\ &\approx 3.3137084995 \\ r &\approx \boxed{3.314 } \\ \end{aligned}

A typo, it's d 3.314 \displaystyle d\approx \boxed{3.314}

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago
Elkio deAtn
Jul 3, 2015

Let A be the center of the big circle, B the point of contact between the small circle and a radius of the big circle, D the contact point between the two circles, and C the intersection of AD with the small circle.

AB×AB=AC×AD r^2=4 (4-2r) So r=4 (sqrt (2)-1) Diameter=2r~3.3137

Jafar Badour
Jun 24, 2016

let the distance from the circle center to the point such that the inside circle touch the radius be x so the distance between the circle center and its circumference is R = 4 units thus x 2 + x 2 + x = R = 4 \sqrt{x^2+x^2} +x = R=4

( 2 + 1 ) x = 4 (\sqrt{2}+1)x=4

diameter is twice the radius so

d = 2 x = 8 2 + 1 = 3.3137 d=2x= \frac{8}{\sqrt{2}+1} =3.3137

Anubhav Tyagi
Nov 22, 2015

Over Rated problem. Does not deserve level 5

Lu Chee Ket
Nov 19, 2015

4 = r + 2 \sqrt2 r

2 r = 8 1 + 2 \frac{8}{1+\sqrt2}

d = 8 ( 2 \sqrt2 -1) = 3.3137084989847603904135097936776+

Answer: 3.314 \boxed{3.314}

Shanthan Kumar
Oct 21, 2015

Keil Cerbito
Sep 20, 2015

As far as the figure given is concerned, I assume that the center of the inscribed circle can be approximately by getting its centroid, though this is not a good solution.

Formula for centroid of quarter circle 4 r 3 π = \frac{4r}{3\pi} = 4 ( 4 ) 3 π 1.69 \frac{4(4)}{3\pi} ≈ 1.69 the value of radius and 3.38 3.38 will be its diameter, almost an approximate value to the real diameter which is 8 2 + 1 3.31 \frac{8}{\sqrt{2} + 1} ≈ 3.31

Kushagra Sahni
Sep 12, 2015

This problem is extremely overrated!

Ramiel To-ong
Sep 11, 2015

8 = r + r 2sq.root of 2r + r r = 1.657

Sachin Arora
Sep 9, 2015

It's a damn shame that this is a level 5 prob.

I used Co-ordinate Geometry (Long but different method), as it seemed to me. Let center of large circle be (0,0). Let radius of small circle be 'r' which implies (r,-r) will be centre of small circle. So, equation of line passing through (r,-r) and (0,0) becomes X+Y=0. Equation of bigger circle is X 2 + Y 2 = 16 X^{2}+Y^{2}=16 . Intersection point of the both these equations will be ( 8 , 8 \sqrt 8,-\sqrt 8 ). As radius of small circle is same all the ways, drop a perpendicular from centre of smaller circle to the radius of larger cicle, in which it is inscribed. That point will be (r,0).Calculate distance between (r,-r) and (r,0).Calculate distance between (r,-r) and ( 8 , 8 \sqrt 8,-\sqrt 8 ). We will now equate these two distances, we get a quadratic equation in 'r' as r 2 4 8 r + 16 = 0 r^{2}-4\sqrt 8 r + 16 = 0 . Solving it, we get r= 4( 2 1 ) \sqrt 2 -1) . So, 2r= diameter of smaller circle = 8( 2 1 ) \sqrt 2 -1) which equals 3.313 .. (approx).

Bhupendra Jangir
Jul 29, 2015

Not a level 5 problem. It should have been a level 3 problem. Just following basic geometry concepts.

If we join the point of tangecy with the diametral opposite point of extrem of one radius, this line touch the other radius un the other ponit of tangecy, form homothety. Just use basic trigonometry and its done.

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