Use only Holder's

Algebra Level 3

If a a and b b are positive real numbers such that a 2015 + b 2015 = 2015 , a^{2015}+b^{2015}=2015, find the maximum value of a + b a+b .


The answer is 2.006.

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6 solutions

Manuel Kahayon
Feb 17, 2016

For those who dont know Holder's inequality, just use power mean inequality...

( a 2015 + b 2015 2 ) 1 2015 a + b 2 (\frac{a^{2015}+b^{2015}}{2})^{\frac{1}{2015}}\geq \frac{a+b}{2}

And the rest follows naturally.

did the same way.

Shreyash Rai - 5 years, 3 months ago

is this always the case

abhishek alva - 5 years ago

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Yes. If m > k m >k , then a 1 m + a 2 m + + a n m n m a 1 k + a 2 k + + a n k n k \large \sqrt[m]{\frac{a_1^m+a_2^m+\ldots+a_n^m}{n}} \geq \sqrt[k]{\frac{a_1^k+a_2^k+\ldots+a_n^k}{n}} .

Manuel Kahayon - 5 years ago
Aditya Jain
Sep 30, 2015

Use the Holder's inequality:

suppose a and b be the terms of sequence a k a_{k} as per the above inequality. consider a as the first term and b as the second term of this sequence. Let's assume that: sequence b k b_{k} = {1,1,1,1....} i.e. every term is 1. Now, for n=2, p=2015 and q=1, we can write:

i = 1 2 a k < = ( i = 1 2 ( a k ) 2015 ) 1 / 2015 . ( i = 1 2 1 ) \sum_{i=1}^2 |a_{k}|<=(\sum_{i=1}^2 (a_{k})^{2015})^{1/2015}.(\sum_{i=1}^2 1)
a + b < = 2 ( a 2015 + b 2015 ) 1 / 2015 a+b<=2(a^{2015}+b^{2015})^{1/2015}
a + b < = 2. ( 2015 ) 1 / 2015 a+b<=2.(2015)^{1/2015}
hence a + b < = 2.007566012 a+b <= 2.007566012


Thus the maximum value of a + b is 2.007566012

Good I thought most people did not know about holder's Inequality. Here's an upvote.

Department 8 - 5 years, 8 months ago

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Lakshya, what is the actual way to use holder's inequality in this case? I got the answer simply by using AM-GM.

Yugesh Kothari - 5 years, 8 months ago

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I have posted a solution check it and upvote it.

Department 8 - 5 years, 8 months ago

thanks for explaining holders inequality

Akshay Sharma - 5 years, 5 months ago

another approach can be like using LAGRANGE MULTIPLIERS

Nilesh Patra - 4 years, 8 months ago

Isn't holder's inequality valid only for such pairs (p,q) such that 1/p + 1/q =1?

Also, I guess since you missed this, your answer diverges by a small quantity from the actual answer submitted as 2.006 which comes from -

2(2015/2)^(1/2015)

Yugesh Kothari - 5 years, 8 months ago

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maybe... I am not completely in touch with this. I just used it as the question seemed to be in this form.

Aditya Jain - 5 years, 8 months ago
Department 8
Oct 1, 2015

Using Holder's Inequality we have

( a 2015 + b 2015 ) ( 1 + 1 ) ( 1 + 1 ) ( 1 + 1 ) ( a + b ) 2015 \large{\left( { a }^{ 2015 }+{ b }^{ 2015 } \right) \left( 1+1 \right) \left( 1+1 \right) \cdots \cdots \cdots \left( 1+1 \right) \ge { \left( a+b \right) }^{ 2015 }} .

It is similar as Cauchy Schwarz Inequality but here I increased the power from 2 2 to 2015 2015 and same with the terms.

2015 × 2 2014 2015 ( a + b ) = 2.006 \large{\sqrt [ 2015 ]{ 2015\times { 2 }^{ 2014 } } \ge \left( a+b \right) =2.006}

How this is similar to cauchy schwarz

Akshay Sharma - 5 years, 5 months ago

How did you calculate that large power? Or did you just estimate it to be 2?

Dhruv Somani - 4 years, 8 months ago

I did the same approach

Hans Gabriel Daduya - 3 years, 7 months ago

I will use generalised form of Titu's Lemma.

Given condition is :

a 2015 1 2014 + b 2015 1 2014 = 2015 \dfrac{{a}^{2015}}{1^{2014}} + \dfrac{b^{2015}}{1^{2014}} = 2015

Using generalised form of Titu's Lemma , we get :

2015 [ a + b ] 2015 [ 1 + 1 ] 2014 2015 \ge \dfrac{[a+b]^{2015}}{[1+1]^{2014}}

So,

( 2 ) 2014 2015 ( 2015 ) 1 2015 a + b (2)^{\frac{2014}{2015}}(2015)^{\frac{1}{2015}} \ge a+b

Hence ,

a + b 2.006 a+b \le 2.006

Nihar Sarkar
Oct 6, 2018

((1+1)^(2014/2015))×(given expression) >= a+b. Tis is by Holder's inequality.

Rushikesh Jogdand
Mar 24, 2017

Here is a solution by calculus.

WLG, Let's assume a b a \geq b , so - 201 5 1 2015 a b 0 2015^{\frac{1}{2015}} \geq a \geq b \geq 0 b = ( 2015 a 2015 ) 1 2015 b = \left(2015 - a ^ {2015}\right)^{\frac{1}{2015}} S = a + b = a + ( 2015 a 2015 ) 1 2015 S = a + b = a + \left(2015 - a ^ {2015}\right)^{\frac{1}{2015}} d S d a = 0 a = ( 2015 2 ) 1 2015 \frac{dS}{da} = 0 \Rightarrow \boxed{a = \left(\frac{2015}{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2015}}} b = ( 2015 2 ) 1 2015 \Rightarrow \boxed{b = \left(\frac{2015}{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2015}}} This pair of ( a , b ) (a, b) may be just a local extremum, so we check with boundary case. Which is a = 201 5 1 2015 a = 2015^{\frac{1}{2015}}

Among boundary case and local extremum values, 2 × ( 2015 2 ) 1 2015 = 2.00687554 \boxed{2\times \left(\frac{2015}{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2015}} = 2.00687554} is optimal solution for a = b = ( 2015 2 ) 1 2015 a = b = \left(\frac{2015}{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2015}}

Another way you can solve this is lagrange multipliers!!!

Chris Alvanos - 3 years, 9 months ago

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