The limit floored me

Calculus Level 5

lim n ( n 2 + n + 1 n 2 + n + 1 ) = ? \displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty} \left( \sqrt{n^2+n+1}-\left\lfloor \sqrt{ n^2+n+1 } \right \rfloor \right)=\ ?

Take the limit over integer values of n n .

Submit 0.1729 as your answer if limit doesn't exist.

Note: . . \lfloor .. \rfloor represents Floor Function .


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The answer is 0.5.

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3 solutions

Abhishek Sinha
Aug 9, 2015

Note that n < n 2 + n + 1 < n + 1 n<\sqrt{n^2+n+1} < n+1 Hence, n 2 + n + 1 = n \lfloor \sqrt{n^2+n+1} \rfloor=n Hence, the given limit is lim n n 2 + n + 1 n \lim_{n\to \infty} \sqrt{n^2+n+1}-n = lim n n 2 + n + 1 n 2 n 2 + n + 1 + n = 1 2 =\lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{n^2+n+1-n^2}{\sqrt{n^2+n+1}+n}=\frac{1}{2}

Pi Han Goh
Jun 15, 2015

We have n 2 + n + 1 = n 2 ( 1 + 1 n + 1 n 2 ) n^2 + n + 1 = n^2 \left( 1 + \frac1n + \frac1{n^2}\right) , then for positive n n , n 2 + n + 1 = n ( 1 + ( 1 n + 1 n 2 ) ) 1 2 \sqrt{n^2+n+1} = n \left(1 + \left(\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}\right)\right)^{\frac12} .

For n n to be sufficiently large, 1 n + 1 n 2 \frac1n+\frac1{n^2} is very small, so we can apply the binomial expansion ( 1 + x ) N 1 + N x + N ( N 1 ) 2 x 2 (1+x)^N \approx 1 + Nx + \frac{N(N-1)}2 x^2 for small x x . In this case, x = 1 n + 1 n 2 , N = 1 2 x = \frac1n+\frac1{n^2}, N = \frac12 . Then,

n 2 + n + 1 = n ( 1 + ( 1 n + 1 n 2 ) ) 1 2 n [ 1 + 1 2 ( 1 n + 1 n 2 ) + 1 2 ( 1 2 1 ) 2 1 2 ( 1 n + 1 n 2 ) 2 ] = n + 1 2 + O ( 1 n ) \begin{array} { r c l} \sqrt{n^2 + n + 1}& =& n \left(1 + \left(\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}\right)\right)^{\frac12} \\ & \approx & n \left[ 1 + \frac12 \left(\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}\right) + \frac{\frac12 \left(\frac12 -1\right)}{2} \frac12 \left(\frac1n+\frac1{n^2}\right)^2 \right ] \\ & =& n + \frac12 + O\left(\frac1n\right) \\ \end{array}

Where O ( n ) O(n) denote the Big O notation. We're only interested in the fractional part of n 2 + n + 1 \sqrt{n^2 + n + 1} , which is simply 1 2 + O ( 1 n ) \frac12 + O\left(\frac1n\right) . Take its limit yields 1 2 \boxed{\frac12} as the answer.

Moderator note:

Using big O notation correctly can help us deal with limit questions like this.

In this particular case, there is a much simpler approach.
Hint: Complete the square.

Challenge Master:

n 2 + n + 1 = ( n + 1 2 ) 2 + 3 4 ( n + 1 2 ) 2 = n + 1 2 \sqrt{n^2+n+1} = \sqrt{\left(n+\frac12\right)^2+\frac34} \rightarrow \sqrt{\left(n+\frac12\right)^2} =n + \frac12 , the fractional part is simply 1 2 \frac12 .

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 12 months ago
Trevor Arashiro
Jun 14, 2015

EClearly the limit is somewhere between 0 and 1. If you graph it, you can practically guess that the answer is .5, but here's the algebraic proof.

Begin by working with the floor function half of the equation. It can be observed that for all positive integer values of n n , n 2 + n + 1 = n \left\lfloor\sqrt{n^2+n+1}\right\rfloor=n . Thus our function we are evaluating is lim n n 2 + n + 1 n \displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \sqrt{n^2+n+1}-n .

Next, Consider the perfect square polynomials n 2 n^2 and n 2 + 2 n + 1 n^2+2n+1 and "average" the two. n 2 + n 2 + 2 n + 1 2 = n 2 + n + 1 2 \dfrac{n^2+n^2+2n+1}{2}=n^2+n+\frac{1}{2} . The radical part of the function we are evaluating is the average of two perfect squares (we can ignore the difference in constants because as n n achieves large enough values, the constant is negligible). So taking the average of our functions we have

n 2 n = 0 \sqrt{n^2}-n=0

n 2 + 2 n + 1 n = 1 \sqrt{n^2+2n+1}-n=1

0 + 1 2 = 0.5 \frac{0+1}{2}=\boxed{0.5}

Moderator note:

No, this is not a proof.

If we want to follow your approach, you would have to explain why

lim n 2 + n 2 + 2 n + 1 2 n 2 + n + 1 = 0 \lim \sqrt{ n^2 } + \sqrt{ n^2 + 2n + 1 } - 2 \sqrt{ n^2 + n + 1 } = 0

which is the bulk of the work.

lim n 2 n + 1 2 n 2 + n + 1 = 0 \displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 2n+1-2\sqrt{n^2+n+1}=0

lim n 4 n 2 + 4 n + 1 4 n 2 + 4 n + 4 = 0 \displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \sqrt{4n^2+4n+1}-\sqrt{4n^2+4n+4}=0

lim n 4 n 2 + 4 n + 1 4 n 2 + 4 n + 4 = 1 \displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \dfrac{\sqrt{4n^2+4n+1}}{\sqrt{4n^2+4n+4}}=1

@Calvin Lin is this complete?

Trevor Arashiro - 5 years, 12 months ago

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Nope, and that is (currently) a flawed argument. You are claiming/hoping that lim a n b n = 0 lim a n b n = 1 \lim a_n - b_n = 0 \Leftrightarrow \lim \frac{a_n}{b_n} = 1 . That is true only under certain conditions.

For example, if a n = 2 n a_n = \frac{2}{n} and b n = 1 n b_n = \frac{1}{n} , then the first limit is 0, but the second limit is 2. Conversely, if a n = n + 1 , b n = n a_n = n+1, b_n = n then the second limit is 1, but the first limit is 1.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 12 months ago

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