Count Your Marbles

Algebra Level 2

Suppose you have X X marbles and I have Y Y marbles, for a total of 2020.

  • Firstly, you give me half of the marbles that you have.
  • Then, I give you half of the marbles that I have at that moment , including the marbles that you have just given me.

Amazingly, I am left with the same number of marbles as one of us originally had before the exchanges!

How many marbles do you have now?

20 808 1010 1212 1347

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6 solutions

N Kansara
Nov 4, 2018

At first the marbles are divided as :- Y and X

After first move marbles are divided as

Y + X 2 \frac {X}{2} and X - X 2 \frac {X}{2}

After second move

Y + X 2 2 \frac {Y + \frac {X}{2} }{2} and X 2 \frac {X}{2} + Y + X 2 2 \frac {Y + \frac {X}{2} }{2}

That is

2 Y + X 4 \frac {2Y + X}{4} and 3 X + 2 Y 4 \frac {3X + 2Y}{4}

Now it is given that either :--

2 Y + X 4 \frac {2Y + X}{4} = Y OR 2 Y + X 4 \frac {2Y + X}{4} = X

So either :--

2Y = X OR 3X = 2Y

we need to equate the above result with X + Y = 2020

When 2Y = X then we get values of X And Y in fraction which is not possible

Thus 3X = 2Y, and on equating with X + Y = 2020 we get X = 808 and Y = 1212

According to the question we need to find marbles left with me which is 3 X + 2 Y 4 \frac {3X + 2Y}{4} = 1212 \boxed {1212}

I wrote this in javascript and got 808 that matched. I need to brush up on my algebra apparently |----------------------------------------| function solve(x) { var t = 2020; var y = t - x; y = (x * 0.5 + y) / 2; console.log(y, x); // 808,808 } solve(808);

// try : 20, 808, 1010, 1212, 1347

Luke Marshall - 2 years, 7 months ago

what a amazing solution.

Tehzeeb Zuhra - 2 years, 7 months ago

The question was: "How many marbles do you have now?" So I thank os X=808

Ricardo José Olvera Flores - 2 years, 7 months ago

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I misread it as how many marbles did you have at the outset (X) and entered 808. [Doh!]. The following phrasing would have made the intent clearer to me: “Suppose you had X marbles and I had Y marbles” (past tense) ... “So after the exchange, how many marbles do you have now?”

Alex Kulczycki - 2 years, 7 months ago

Like question couldn't be written like "What is X" or "What is Y" because this confused me and that is the only reason i give a wrong answer

Kamil Mika - 2 years, 6 months ago
Abraham Zhang
Nov 4, 2018

We have X + Y = 2020 X+Y=2020 . After the exchanges, the amount of marbles "I" have is Y 2 + X 4 = X or Y \frac Y2 + \frac X4 = X \text{ or } Y . Y 2 + X 4 = Y Y = 2020 3 N \frac Y2 + \frac X4 = Y \implies Y = \frac{2020}3 \notin \mathbb{N} , so it must be Y 2 + X 4 = X Y = 1212 \frac Y2 + \frac X4 = X \implies Y = 1212 which is the amount of marbles "you" have when "I" have X X marbles.

i am confused by both of you!!!

Thomas Eble - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Lol 😄 There's nothing to confuse, sit calm and try to make equations according to the question, you will end up with the correct answer! 😎

Prem Chebrolu - 2 years, 7 months ago

Even I did it in the same way! , But did a mistake and read as how many marble's I had... So I clicked "808" 😂

Prem Chebrolu - 2 years, 7 months ago

yo this one confuses me 😒

Jeb Kor - 2 years, 7 months ago
Nashita Rahman
Oct 27, 2018

X + Y = 2020 .....EQN(1)

FOR FIRST EXCHANGE,. X- X/2 I HAVE AND Y+X/2 YOU HAVE .

FOR SECOND EXCHANGE, X-X/2 +1/2(Y+X/2) I HAVE AND YOU HAVE Y + X/2 - 1/2(Y+X/2) .

SO NOW, YOU HAVE Y/2 + X/4 MARBLES. THIS MAY BE EQUAL TO X OR Y AS PER THE QUESTION.

WHEN Y/2 + X/4 = Y , WE GET X= 2Y . PUTTING THIS IN EQN(1) 3Y = 2020 BUT THE VALUE OF Y CAN'T BE FRACTION SO THIS ASSUMPTION IS WRONG.

WHEN Y/2 + X/4 = X , WE GET Y= 3X/2 . PUTTING THIS IN EQN(1) 5X/2 = 2020 OR X = 808 and Y = 1212.

SO YOU HAVE 1212 MARBLES.

Exactly what I did, but there is an error in the second line.

It's X - (X / 2) and Y + (X / 2) Not X - (X / 2) and Y + (Y / 2)

Jochen Morent - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Ohh yes. That's a typing error. Thank you so much!

Nashita Rahman - 2 years, 7 months ago

WHY USING SO MUCH CAPITALS?

Liesje Cool - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Lol no reason as such !

Nashita Rahman - 2 years, 7 months ago
Carldon King Jr
Nov 4, 2018

This could only happen with a 60%-40% split. We then go to an 80%-20% split after half (20%) of the 40% gets added to the 60%. Lastly, we take half (40%) of the 80% and give it back to what became 20%. That leaves us with a 40%-60% split.

60% of 2020 is 1212. 40% of 2020 is 808. Since I (X) “gave” marbles first, I had to have started with the 40% first otherwise we would finish with a 35%-65% split if I had 60% of the marbles to start with. I started with 40%, 808, and ended with 60%, 1212.

Your solution is right, but a little bit too complicated. The privious one is the most elegant one.

Shmuel Zehavi - 2 years, 7 months ago
Agustín Brusco
Nov 9, 2018

As we know 2020 - Y = X, we could write the state at the end of the exchange as either

Option 1: ([2020 - Y]/2 + Y)/2 = Y

Or

Option 2: ([2020 - Y]/2 + Y)/2 = X = 2020 - Y

In the first scenario, as we solve for Y we conclude that

Y = 2020/3

This results in a non integer number of marbles (which is impossible). This does not happen in the second scenario, in which solving for Y gets us to a valid amount of marbles in our hands.

([2020 - Y]/2 + Y)/2 = 2020 - Y

[2020 - Y]/2 = 2(2020 - Y) - Y

2020 - Y = 2(4040 - 3Y)

5Y = 8080 - 2020

Y = 6060/5

Y = 1212

1) X + Y = 2020

2) X/2 + (Y + X/2) = 2020

3) [(X/2)+(Y +X/2)/2] + (Y +X/2)/2 = 2020

Now, Let's take the RIGHT part in (3) and equalize it with the LEFT part in (1)

0.5*(Y + X/2) = X

(2020-X) + X/2 = 2X

4040 - 2X + X = 4X

4040 = 5X

X = 808

So, Y = 1212

proof: 1) 808 + 1212 = 2020

2) 404 + 1616 = 2020

3) 1212 + 808 = 2020 #

My initial method was similar but in the end trial and error worked well!

helen martindale - 2 years, 5 months ago

Obviously its correct but how? With my human logic I assumed its in half. 1010 each. +505 is 1515 minus it half. so 757.5. that plus 505 is 1262.5 I understand you need to use equations and algebra but how and why. Emphasis on WHY

John Reder - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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