Cycloidish

Geometry Level 2

A rectangle rolls on a flat surface, and the path of one of its vertices is traced as the rectangle rolls.

If the shorter side of the rectangle is 1 1 and the area under the traced path is 3 π , 3\pi, what is the length of the longer side of the rectangle?


The answer is 1.940300568.

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4 solutions

Jeremy Galvagni
Jun 21, 2018

Let the sides of the rectangle be a a and b b The area encloded can be seen as five serarate pieces.

The blue and pink together make a rectangle of area a b ab

The green and orange are quarter-circles of radius a a and b b so their areas are 1 4 π a 2 \frac{1}{4}\pi a^{2} and 1 4 π b 2 \frac{1}{4}\pi b^{2}

The large purple quarter circle has radius a 2 + b 2 \sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}} so its area is 1 4 π ( a 2 + b 2 ) \frac{1}{4}\pi (a^{2}+b^{2})

Therefore the area formula for the cycloidish shape is A = a b + 1 4 π a 2 + 1 4 π b 2 + 1 4 π ( a 2 + b 2 ) A= ab + \frac{1}{4}\pi a^{2}+\frac{1}{4}\pi b^{2}+\frac{1}{4}\pi (a^{2}+b^{2})

Which simplifies to A = π 2 ( a 2 + b 2 ) + a b A=\frac{\pi}{2}(a^{2}+b^{2})+ab

Letting a = 1 a=1 and b = x b=x , an equation to find side length that gives area 3 π 3\pi is

π 2 ( 1 + x 2 ) + x = 3 π \frac{\pi}{2}(1+x^{2})+x=3\pi

This is a quadratic solution whose positive solution is

x = 1 + 1 + 5 π 2 π 1.940300568 x=\frac{-1+\sqrt{1+5\pi^{2}}}{\pi}\approx\boxed{1.940300568}

Ughh I though it would br a simpler method than this

Scott Tysar - 2 years, 11 months ago

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For one, I wanted to area to be the same as the cycloid. I just realized the devs took out that part. For another, I thought the formula had a nice form, so I wanted solvers to need to derive it.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 11 months ago

Math is never truly simple.

Laura Gao - 2 years, 11 months ago

I'd say this solution is rather quite simple.

Colin Skinner - 2 years, 11 months ago

is there a more elegant way?

Maximus Dizon - 2 years, 11 months ago

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define "elegant"

Laura Gao - 2 years, 11 months ago

Do you like this way? 👆👆👆👆

Diego Ortega - 2 years, 11 months ago

Other way


A=3π

a=1

b=√((c^2)-1)


A1=πa^2/4=π/4

A2+A4=ab=b

A3=πc^2/4

A5=πb^2/4


3π=A1+A2+A3+A4+A5

3π=(π/4)((1+b+c)^2)+b

c^2=(3π-(π/4)-(πb^2/4)-b)/(π/4)


b=√((c^2)-1)

b=√{[[3π-(π/4)-(πb^2/4)-b]/(π/4)]-1}

b≈1.94

Diego Ortega - 2 years, 11 months ago

I truly enjoyed this problem. Thank you for posting it. It's a great way to show the importance of simplifying as much as possible before approximating pi.

Michael Carmen Maguire - 2 years, 11 months ago

The idea that the purple section is a quarter circle is assumed. To prove it you could show that the diagonals are negative reciprocols or that the combined angles are complementary and therefore 90 deg.

Omari Sarjeant - 2 years, 11 months ago

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No, it is 9 0 90^{\circ} because you rotate it by 9 0 90^{\circ} . What is it to prove?

Shourya Pandey - 2 years, 11 months ago

I did it this way, and I feel this problem should have been placed under "Advanced" instead.

Dennis Rodman - 2 years, 8 months ago

Consider my diagram.

d = 1 + x 2 d=\sqrt{1+x^2}

A 1 = 1 4 π = π 4 A_1=\dfrac{1}{4}\pi=\dfrac{\pi}{4}

A 2 = 1 2 ( 1 ) ( x ) = x 2 A_2=\dfrac{1}{2}(1)(x)=\dfrac{x}{2}

A 3 = 1 4 π ( 1 + x 2 ) 2 = π 4 ( 1 + x 2 ) = π 4 + π x 2 4 A_3=\dfrac{1}{4}\pi (\sqrt{1+x^2})^2=\dfrac{\pi}{4}(1+x^2)=\dfrac{\pi}{4}+\dfrac{\pi x^2}{4}

A 4 = A 2 = x 2 A_4=A_2=\dfrac{x}{2}

A 5 = 1 4 π x 2 = π x 2 4 A_5=\dfrac{1}{4}\pi x^2=\dfrac{\pi x^2}{4}

The total area is 3 π 3\pi . So,

3 π = A 1 + A 2 + A 3 + A 4 + A 5 3\pi = A_1+A_2+A_3+A_4+A_5

3 π = π 4 + x 2 + π 4 + π x 2 4 + x 2 + π x 2 4 = 2 π x 2 4 + 2 π 4 + 2 x 2 3\pi = \dfrac{\pi}{4}+\dfrac{x}{2}+\dfrac{\pi}{4}+\dfrac{\pi x^2}{4}+\dfrac{x}{2}+\dfrac{\pi x^2}{4}=\dfrac{2\pi x^2}{4}+\dfrac{2\pi}{4}+\dfrac{2x}{2}

6 π = π x 2 + π + 2 x 6\pi= \pi x^2+\pi +2x

π x 2 + 2 x 5 π = 0 \pi x^2 + 2x -5\pi=0

It ends up on a quadratic equation. By using the quadratic formula, we get

x 1.940300568 x \approx \boxed{1.940300568}

if the figure was sliding with 1unit dist/unit time , how do we calculate now since the segments now are not circles

Anurag Kurle - 2 years, 11 months ago
Terrence Yang
Jul 9, 2018

Very nasty numbers, probably because I'm a high school student. Basically if you can see the 3 important length and know your quadratic formula, you are good to go!

Let the long side be L, why is solving (1/4) Pi+int(sqrt(L^2-x^2+1), x = -L .. 1)+(1/4) L^2 Pi = 3 Pi wrong?

Silas Larsen - 2 years, 11 months ago

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What is x in your comment?

Daniel Witting da Prato - 2 years, 11 months ago

Use latex. Very unclear

James Bacon - 2 years, 11 months ago

Assuming L is the long side and x is the shorter side (which was given, by the way); your problem is in your Pythagorean Theorem usage. The two terms should be added as L is not the radius of the central radius. The rightmost radius is L, however no Pythagorean Theorem is necessary to obtain that result.

Matt Westover - 2 years, 11 months ago

..haha he said he’s high!

Bill Herdman - 2 years, 11 months ago

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grow up Bill

Sunny Cat - 2 years, 11 months ago

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sorry i was just having a hard time trying to solve it : (

Sunny Cat - 2 years, 11 months ago
Sam Spedding
Jul 15, 2018

I made it on Desmos: Rolling Rectangle

That is amazing! I made mine in Desmos too, but without animation and a fixed length.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 10 months ago

Nice graph.

Garv Khurana - 2 years, 7 months ago

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