Ali and Zoe reach into a bag that they know contains nine lottery balls numbered 1-9. They each take one ball out to keep and they look at it secretly. Then, they make the following statements, in order:
Ali:
"I don't know whose number is bigger."
Zoe:
"I don't know whose number is bigger either."
Ali:
"I still don't know whose number is bigger."
Zoe:
"Now I know that my number is bigger!"
Assuming Ali and Zoe are perfectly logical, what is Zoe's smallest possible number?
Hint: When she speaks for the first time, if Ali doesn't know whose number is bigger, which number must she not have?
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The statements are consistent with Zoe having either 6 or 7
You didn't consider the fact that "Zoe can have 7".
What about Zoe having 7 ? They would still make the same statements, wouldn't they ?
The first three statements only confirm that neither of them have 9 or 8 or 1 or 2 . So, 7 is the next highest number
Working only with the higher set of numbers, when Ali first says that she doesn't know who has the largest number, the only conclusion we can make is that Ali does not have the 9, so she must have one of 8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1. Next, Zoe says that she also doesn't know, from which we can conclude that Zoe does not have the 9;Zoe also does not have the 8, or he would have proclaimed it as such, since they both can't have 8. So Zoe has 7,6,5,4,3,2,1, Finally, if Ali had the 7, she would proclaim that she had the largest number(7); but she didn't do that, indicating that Zoe had the 7, who must now declare that he has the largest number. Ed Gray
Sorry guys, I was dumb(again...😭) thanks though to everyone who upvoted this, and at least the problem has been fixed now :)
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by any chance, did u interpret "perfectly logical" in a number theoretical sense, since 6 is a perfect number !!
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No, actually, I didn't! That's very interesting though :)
Ok, I did the problem exactly like Angel. But knowing Ali must be a 4,5, or 6, I reasoned "Zoe's smallest possible number" is 5.
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I think given that there have been only 3 statements before Zoe's declaration, and since we are talking about whose number is larger, it does not really matter what Ali's number is as long as it is not 9,8 or 7 and all other possibilities leave an element of doubt
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Of course, "smallest possible number" allows room for uncertainty
Okay I see you, Angel! Flexing some muscles of your own :) Very nice and logical, buddy!
[The problem statement has been changed from "What's Zoe's number?" to "What's Zoe's smallest possible number?" In that case, the answer is 6 only.]
Zoe can have either 6 or 7. So, there are two possible options.
Proof:
(1) Ali confirms that she doesn't have 1 or 9.
(2) Zoe confirms she doesn't have 1, 2, 8 or 9.
(3) Ali confirms that she doesn't have 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 or 9. Therefore, she can only have 4, 5 or 6.
(4) Zoe knows that Ali can only have 4, 5 or 6. So, Zoe must have 6 or 7.
yeah.. i put the answer as 7 and got wrong :(
Yep, supposed to say smallest possible. I'm going to give points to those who said 7 still.
point 4... u mean to say Zoe had 5 or 6, right?
From first statement, it is clear that Ali did not receive 9, or else he would have known. Now, second statement suggests Zoe did not receive 8 as well by the same logic. Now, third statement suggests Ali did not receive 7 as well by the same logic. Now, last statement suggests Zoe received 6, so she was able to know that she had the bigger number
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When Ali first speaks, she does not have 1 or 9, as otherwise, she would know whose number is bigger(no bigger number than 9, no smaller number than 1). Zoe, knowing this, must not have 2 or 8 when she first speaks or she would know whose number is bigger. Ali knows Zoe does not have 1,2,8 or 9, otherwise, Zoe would have known whose number was bigger, so when Ali says that she still does not know whose number is bigger, she does not have 3 or 7. Zoe knows Ali can only have the numbers 4, 5 or 6, and the only one Zoe can have at this point to know hers is bigger is 6, the biggest.