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Algebra Level 2

For how many ordered pairs of numbers ( a , b ) (a,b) is it true that: a + b = a × b = a b ? a + b = a \times b = \frac{a}{b}?

Start with two of the three requirements and go from there.

0 1 2 4 Infinitely many pairs

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14 solutions

Kevin Tran
Aug 21, 2017

Make three systems of equations.

A + B = A B A + B = A B A B = A B A+B\quad =\quad AB\\ A+B\quad =\quad \frac { A }{ B } \\ AB\quad \quad =\quad \frac { A }{ B }

Let's start with A B = A B AB\quad =\quad \frac { A }{ B } \\

Solve B and we get 1 or -1.

If we plug in 1 for A + B = A B A+B\quad=\quad AB , we get A + 1 = A A+1\quad =\quad A . And since we know that doesn't exist, The answer for B is -1.

Plug -1 for B in either A + B = A B A+B\quad =\quad \frac { A }{ B } or A + B = A B A+B=\quad AB and we get A = 1 2 A=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } .

The answer is ( 1 2 , 1 ) (\frac { 1 }{ 2 } ,-1) . So therefore it has only one ordered pair.

A = 0, is also a solution to AB = A/B, for any non-zero B. But if we plug that into A+B = AB we get B = 0, which would make A/B undefined.

Robert Beggs - 3 years, 9 months ago

and I trapped myself by thinking only of whole numbers, not fractions. :-(

Ian Clark - 3 years, 9 months ago

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same here, Ian.

Saya Suka - 3 years, 9 months ago

How are you getting the single spaced lines between the equations? So far all I have found here is double space, or the text gets sucked up into the previous line.

Robert DeLisle - 3 years, 9 months ago

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I don't know.

Kevin Tran - 3 years, 9 months ago

I got it wrong, but realized I could have done it graphically after the fact... https://www.desmos.com/calculator/bkdxwfkken

Seth Reisner - 3 years, 9 months ago

Very simple and correct solution although to much explanations in my opinion, still good job.

Liviu Vigu-Giurea - 3 years, 9 months ago
Áron Bán-Szabó
Aug 22, 2017

a × b = a b a × b 2 = a \begin{aligned} a\times b & = \dfrac{a}{b} \\ \Longrightarrow a\times b^2 & =a\end{aligned} Note that a 0 a\neq 0 , since if a = 0 a=0 , then b = 0 b=0 , but then a b \dfrac{a}{b} makes error. So we can divide by a a . a × b 2 = a b 2 = 1 { b = 1 b = 1 \begin{aligned} a\times b^2 & = a \\ b^2 & = 1 \\ & \begin{cases} b=1 \\ b=-1 \end{cases} \end{aligned}

Now let's look the first two requirements. a × b = a + b a b ( a + b ) = 0 a b a b + 1 = 1 ( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 1 \begin{aligned} a\times b & = a+b \\ \Longrightarrow ab-(a+b) & = 0 \\ ab-a-b+1 & = 1 \\ (a-1)(b-1)& =1 \end{aligned} b b can't be 1 1 , because then ( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 0 (a-1)(b-1)=0 , so b = 1 b=-1 . Then ( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 1 ( a 1 ) ( 1 1 ) = 1 2 × ( a 1 ) = 1 a 1 = 1 2 a = 1 2 \begin{aligned} (a-1)(b-1) & = 1 \\ (a-1)(-1-1) & = 1 \\ -2\times (a-1) & = 1 \\ a-1 & = -\dfrac{1}{2} \\ a & = \dfrac{1}{2} \end{aligned} This gives us the only solution.

Therefore there is one \boxed{\text{one}} ordered pair.

From a b 2 = a ab^{2}=a , if a = 0 a=0 , then b = 1 b=1 is also true.

SKYE RZYM - 3 years, 9 months ago

"if a = 0 a = 0 then b = 0 b = 0 " - how are you making this deduction?

Stewart Gordon - 3 years, 9 months ago

Why is a = 0 and b = any number no solution?

Viktor Glombik - 3 years, 9 months ago

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0 + b = 0 × b = 0 ==> b = 0
Then, what will happen is a/b = 0/0

Saya Suka - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Very nicely done :)

Zach Abueg - 3 years, 9 months ago
S. Chen
Aug 23, 2017

First, let's start by looking at ab = a b \frac{a}{b} . Diving both sides by a, we get b = 1 b \frac{1}{b} . Multiplying both sides by b results in b^2 = 1. Rooting both sides gives us b=1 or b=-1. Now let's look at a+b = ab. First we'll substitute 1 for b. This results in a+1 = a; However, this is't possible as using SPOE to subtract a from both sides results in 1 = 0, which isn't true. That leaves b = -1. Using that, we get a - 1 = -a. Adding a to both sides with APOE gives 2a -1 = 0, which leads to a = 1 2 \frac{1}{2} . We now have one ordered, and only one ordered pair, that works: ( 1 2 \frac{1}{2} , -1). Ans. one

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Aug 23, 2017

The first equality may be written ( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 1. (a-1)(b-1) = 1. This equation has infinitely many solutions: all values of a a are possible, except a 1 a \not= 1 . The same is true for b b .

The second equality is true whenever a = 0 a = 0 . However, in that case the first equality gives ( 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 1 (-1)\cdot (b - 1) = 1 so that b = 0 b = 0 ; but this must be ruled out because we are not allowed to divide by zero.

The second equality is also true whenever b 2 = 1 b^2 = 1 , that is, b = ± 1 b = \pm 1 . We already concluded that b 1 b \not= 1 . That leaves o n e \boxed{one} solution: b = 1 , a = 1 2 : 1 2 + ( 1 ) = 1 2 × ( 1 ) = 1 / 2 1 = 1 2 . b = -1, a = \frac12:\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \frac12 + (-1) = \frac12\times(-1) = \frac{1/2}{-1} = -\frac12.

Rab Gani
Aug 22, 2017

The first equation a + b = ab, then we have a = -b/(1 – b), The second equation a + b = a/b, then a = b^2/(1 – b), The third equation ab = a/b, b^2= 1, b=1, or -1 (NA) The solution is only b=-1, a=1/2

Surya Subbarao
Aug 23, 2017

First look at the equation a × b = a b a\times b=\frac{a}b . Simplifying this, we get b 2 = 1 b^2=1 , so b = ± 1 b=\pm1 . However, when plugging in b = 1 b=1 , we get a + 1 = a a+1=a from the first two expressions, so b b should be 1 -1 . Now, we solve the equation a 1 = a a-1 = -a and get the single solution a = 0.5 , b = 1 a=0.5, b=-1 .

Chew-Seong Cheong
Aug 23, 2017

From a × b = a b a\times b = \dfrac ab , b 2 = 1 \implies b^2 = 1 b = ± 1 \implies b = \pm 1 . Now consider a + b = a × b a+b = a\times b .

{ b = 1 a + 1 = a No solution b = 1 a 1 = a a = 1 2 Only solution \begin{cases} b = 1 & \implies a+1=a & & \color{#D61F06} \text{No solution} \\ b = -1 & \implies a-1=-a & \implies a = \dfrac 12 & \color{#3D99F6} \text{Only solution} \end{cases}

Therefore there is only 1 \boxed{1} solution ( 1 2 , 1 ) \left(\frac 12, - 1\right) .

Robert DeLisle
Aug 23, 2017

From a + b = a b a + b = ab it follows that a b = a 1. \frac{a}{b} = a - 1 .\quad

a 1 a - 1 must be the value for all three expressions or there is no solution.

If a + b = a 1 a + b = a - 1 then b = 1 b = -1

Since b = 1 b = -1 it follows that a b = a = a 1 ab = -a = a -1 and a = 1 2 a = \frac{1}{2}

Therefore there is just one ordered pair ( 1 2 , 1 ) (\frac{1}{2}, -1)

Corwin Silverman
Aug 23, 2017

For a*b to equal a/b, b must equal 1 or negative one. If b=1, then a+1=a, which is unsolvable. If b=-1, then a-1=-a, so 2a-1=0, so 2a=1, so a=1/2.

Auro Light
Aug 23, 2017

a + b = ab = a/b,
=> a = ab - b = b(a - 1),
=> a/b = a - 1 = a + b,
=> b = -1,
Now, a + b = ab, so a - 1 = -a,
Or, 2a = 1, so, a = 1/2 and b = -1 is the only solution.




Madde Mobil
Aug 23, 2017

It is b 0 b\neq 0 , since it is in the denominator.

From a + b = a b a+b=\frac{a}{b} we get a = a b + b 2 a=ab+b^2 .

Substituting in a b = a + b ab=a+b yields a = a + b + b 2 a=a+b+b^2 , which is equivalent to 0 = b + b 2 = b ( b + 1 ) 0=b+b^2=b(b+1) .

Since b 0 b\neq 0 , we may divide by b without losing a solution and get 0=b+1, i.e. b=-1.

So a-1=-a and a=0.5.

Hence, there is at most one solution. If we substitute a and b with 0.5 and -1, we see that this is indeed a solution.

Sundar R
Aug 22, 2017

a+b = a/b

ab + b ^2 = a

a(b-1) = -b^2

a= -b^2/b-1

ab = -b^3/b-1

a/b = -b/b-1

ab = a/b

-b^3/b-1 = -b/b-1 only If

b = -1 or b = 0

Let us examine b=-1

Then a=1/2

a+b = -1/2 = ab = a/b

Obviously a=-1 , b = ½ does not work since a/b = -2 which is not a+b = -1/2.

Let us examine b = 0

Then a+b = ab only if a=0 and b = 0

But a/b = 0/0 which is not equal to zero but undefined

So, the only ordered pair that works is (1/2 -1)

Nikita Mahilewets
Aug 22, 2017

b*b=1

Therefore a=0.5

Stewart Gordon
Mar 27, 2021

First, let's solve a b = a b ab = \frac{a}{b} :

a b = a b a b 2 = a a ( b 1 ) ( b + 1 ) = 0 \displaystyle{ab = \frac{a}{b}} \\ \Rightarrow ab^2 = a \\ \Rightarrow a(b-1)(b+1) = 0

This gives us three possibilities: a = 0 a = 0 , b = 1 b = 1 and b = 1 b = -1 .

Now let's try to solve a + b = a b a + b = ab for each case.

Substituting a = 0 a = 0 gives b = 0 b = 0 . But b b can't be 0, as a b \frac{a}{b} is then undefined.

Substituting b = 1 b = 1 gives a + 1 = a a + 1 = a , which is impossible.

Substituting b = 1 b = -1 gives a 1 = a a = 1 2 a - 1 = -a \\ \Rightarrow \displaystyle{a = \frac12}

Testing the combination, we see that 1 2 + ( 1 ) = 1 2 × ( 1 ) = 1 2 1 = 1 2 \displaystyle{\frac12 + (-1) = \frac12 \times (-1) = \frac{\frac12}{-1} = -\frac12} .

Thus a = 1 2 , b = 1 \displaystyle{\boxed{a = \frac12, b = -1}} is the only solution.

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