If we know all 4 side lengths of a quadrilateral, can we determine the area of the quadrilateral?
Note : Heron's formula allows one to determine the area of a triangle given the 3 side lengths.
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Yup, that's what I did, but with a square, instead of a rectangle. Thank you for your solution!
One of the things I love about mathematics is how you can derive a conclusion in many different ways, and both of our solutions exemplify this. Yours is just more simple; nice solution!
Can not we use rigth triangles to calculate angles?
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In addition to the 4 side lengths, we would need at least one more angle to solve all the other angles.
The question referred to area of TRIANGLES
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No. It explicitly refers to "the area of the quadrilateral."
I'm reminded of when my seventh grade teacher proved to me that the area of a parallelogram could be less than the area of a rectangle with the same length sides by taking the top of a match box, and squishing it to make different size parallelograms. Then she showed me the limiting case where the parallelogram could be squished to area of zero.
How about we divide the quadrilateral into 2 triangles. The hypotenuse would be the divider. We can obtain the hypotenuse with h^2=a^2+b^2 and we now "a" and "b". Then we add the area of both triangles. PD: the triangles doesn't have to be equals, given that the sides of quadrilateral can be all differents. But in any quadrilateral if you join 2 opposite vertices, you get 2 triangles
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Pythagorean's Theoream is only true for right triangles, so this method does not work if you don't know any of the angles.
Jesus Christ say it’s an angled quadrilateral thn and obv the answer wld b different a mean the pic shows a normal quadrilateral 😡
You can just divide it into triangles and add the respective areas. This is nonsense.
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You can't find the area of a triangle if you only know two of its sides.
wondering if you cut it into two triangles at the corners. Guess you wouldn't know the angles.
I was thinking in 3d.. and with a rectangle only
I don’t understand...i think we can calculate it because we juste have to separate the shape in two triangles , calculate the area of both triangles and add them no?
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All you would know of the two triangles are two of its sides, but you would need to know either the third side or an angle to calculate the area of these triangles.
Relevant wiki: Quadrilateral Classification
First, since there is no quadrilateral version of Heron's formula, I conjectured that the correct answer is no. In order to prove this, we can use the fact that there are two types of quadrilaterals: concave and convex.
First, let us begin with a convex kite A B C D :
Draw a red dotted line along B D ; this will be helpful in a moment. Now, reflect △ A B D over B D :
Notice that we still have the same side lengths as before, just in a different position. Note that this new concave quadrilateral has a different area:
A A B C D ′ = A A B C D − 2 A △ A B D
Therefore, my conjecture is correct; the correct answer is no .
Very visually appealing. Thanks for your easy-to-understand solution!
Why does it have to be 2* Area of ∆ABD?
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You subtract the original triangle off, and then you cut out that same triangle from the kite. Therefore, you take away 2 copies of △ A B D .
I had almost identical thinking to your visual for a counter example. Nice visual!
This isnot how I solve the problem however, I wish to post this as my alternative solution.
Bretschneinder's generalizes the Brahmagupta's formula for the area of cyclic qaudrilateral and which in turn generalized the Hero's formula for area of triangle which is as follow. K 2 = ( s − w ) ( s − x ) ( s − y ) ( s − z ) − w x y z cos 2 ( 2 sum of opp. angles of quad ) To calculate the area we are in need to opposite angles of qaudrilateral which implies we cannot find the area.
Note: In case of maximum area the answer is yes .
Yup, that's how I formulated this question! Thanks for this alternative solution
We cannot find the area of the quadrilateral, though, for an actual case, we could draw a diagonal and measure its lenght. Then by applying Heron formula to each triangle we could find an aproximate result. It is important to draw at scale
But what about a non cyclic quadrilateral?
I had the same in my mind. So that model answer is not a model answer
If you calculate the area of a square and a regular lozenge with a side length 1 then the area of the square : a^2 = 1 and the area of the lozenge : sin(π\3)= 2 3
Nice solution.
I didn't know lozenge is an actual word. Thank you for finding a simple counterexample.
Atleast one angle is needed additionally to determine the area of a quadrilateral with known sides.
The length of the diagonal will be used in Heron's formulae. The problem is despite the two triangles formed due to a diagonal we will not be able to get rid of the diagonal value.
Second issue is that due to concave or convex nature of quadrilateral it is very difficult as for concave the diagonal could be outside the closed figure and calculation of area will be wrong. With these two points I concluded that the ans is no.
If a = c and b= d. A quadrilateral could be constructed in which the opposite angles approach 0 and the area will also approach 0. The same side lengths could produce an area of a x b. This it is not possible to calculate the area.
The diamond above must have area 4 by symmetry, but Pythagoras' theorem gives x 2 = 2 2 + 1 2 = 5 . So the square with the same side length has a different area.
Dislike this phrasing. There is nothing about knowing the four side lengths of a quadrilateral that would prevent one from being able to compute the area, should more information also be known. Now it's certainly true that the four side lengths in isolation would not be sufficient to calculate the area of a quadrilateral. Indeed, the side lengths of a rhombus would not be sufficient. Given any side length s we can find a rhombus of any area A satisfying 0 < A ≤ s 2 .
By dividing the quadilateral into two triangles....
The area may be calculated if the vertices of the quadrilateral lie on the circumference of a circle by Brahmagupta's formula, which is a generalization of Herron's formula; to wit: A= sqrt(s(s - a)(s _ b)(s - c)), where s = (p/2)(a + b + c). Ed Gray
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A given set of side lengths of a quadrilateral can give different areas depending on the angles. For example, the area of a rectangle is greater than the area of a non-right parallelogram with the same sides:
Therefore, even if we know all the side lengths of a quadrilateral, we cannot determine the area of the quadrilateral.