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Suppose I throw a fair die, and then you throw the fair die. What is the probability that your number is strictly greater than mine?

1 2 \frac12 2 3 \frac23 5 12 \frac5{12} 4 9 \frac4{9}

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6 solutions

Elena Gomes
Mar 22, 2016

The possible outcomes are 36 :

1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5,1-6

2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 2-4, 2-5, 2-6

3-1, 3-2, 3-3, 3-4, 3-5, 3-6

4-1, 4-2, 4-3, 4-4, 4-5, 4-6

5-1, 5-2, 5-3, 5-4, 5-5, 5-6

6-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-4, 6-5, 6-6

One of the "diagonals" shows there are six draws , which means there is no winner (1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5, 6-6).

There are 30 possibilities left, 15 of which have you as a winner (the second number is greater than the first one). Therefore, in the 15 left cases, I am the winner.

The probability of you getting a grater number than I is 15/36 = 5/12.

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Aswin T.S. - 5 years, 2 months ago

Good Solution +1. Can you come up with a more shorter way ? And generalise it for n-side dice with numbers from 1 to n written on it ?

Rajdeep Dhingra - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Check Henryk Haniewicz's solution below. It's the solution for the generalised n-sided die.

Aniruddha Bhattacharjee - 5 years, 2 months ago

superb solution.....

Palaash Barot - 5 years, 1 month ago

Solution is wrong. The problem said I throw a fair "dice" which is plural. Die is the singular of dice and the analysis is what happens I throw a fair "die". Go to the dictionary and look up the phrase "singular of dice" and you'll see the explanation. Common grammatical error.

John Nielson - 5 years, 2 months ago

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"Historically, dice is the plural of die, but in modern standard English dice is both the singular and the plural: 'throw the dice' could mean a reference to either one or more than one dice."-- Stack Exchange says so.

Aniruddha Bhattacharjee - 5 years, 2 months ago
Sameer Kailasa
Mar 24, 2016

Note that P ( your number > my number ) = P ( your number < my number ) P(\text{your number } > \text{ my number}) = P(\text{your number } < \text{ my number}) , since in any situation where your number is bigger than mine, swapping the two numbers would yield a situation where your number is smaller than mine.

Furthermore, 2 P ( your number > my number ) 2P(\text{your number } > \text{ my number}) = P ( your number > my number ) + P ( your number < my number ) = P(\text{your number } > \text{ my number}) + P(\text{your number } < \text{ my number}) = 1 P ( both numbers same ) = 1 - P(\text{both numbers same}) since the three events are mutually disjoint. Thus, to compute P ( your number > my number ) P(\text{your number } > \text{ my number}) , it will suffice to compute P ( both numbers same ) P(\text{both numbers same}) .

But P ( both numbers same ) P(\text{both numbers same}) is just 1 / 6 1/6 ; whatever you roll, the probability that I roll the same thing is 1 / 6 1/6 . Thus, we conclude P ( your number > my number ) = 1 2 ( 1 1 6 ) = 5 12 . P(\text{your number } > \text{ my number}) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \left( 1-\frac{1}{6} \right) = \frac{5}{12}.

Ankit Khandelwal
Apr 16, 2016

For the first dice, probability is 1/6. Now if the number is 1, we have 5 possible outcomes for second dice, if number is 2, we have 4 possible outcomes for second dice and so on. So the probability is 1/6(5/6+4/6+3/6+2/6+1/6)

Henryk Haniewicz
Apr 1, 2016

The probability of me rolling any j t h j^{th} number is obviously 1 n \frac{1}{n} , where n n is the number of sides my die has. The probability of rolling another, k t h k^{th} , number from j + 1 j+1 to n n , given j j , is:

P ( k > j j ) = 1 n P(k > j | j) = \frac{1}{n} n j n = n j n 2 \frac{n - j}{n} = \frac{n-j}{n^2}

, since the rolls do not depend on each other. We then do the sum from j = 1 j = 1 to j = n 1 j = n-1 (because if we went to n n , the final numerator would just be 0 0 anyway):

P ( k > j ) = j = 1 j = n 1 n j n 2 = n 1 2 n P(k > j) = \sum_{j = 1}^{j = n-1} \frac{n-j}{n^2} = \frac{n-1}{2n}

Assuming this is a 6 sided die (although not explicitly stated in the question), we plug in n = 6 n = 6 and attain 5 12 \boxed{\frac{5}{12}} .

Achille 'Gilles'
Mar 31, 2016

Probability is 15 36 \frac{15}{36} or 5 12 \frac{5}{12}

J C
Mar 28, 2016

I'm curious...what if we were each throwing two dice, recording their respective sums, and finding the probability of one person having a greater sum?

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