Dice sums

I have 4 (distinct) dice, each with 6 faces labelled 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 1,2,3,4,5,6 , and I roll all 4 simultaneously. Let d 1 d_{1} be the number that comes up on the first dice, d 2 d_{2} be the number that comes up on the second dice, d 3 d_{3} be the number that comes up on the third dice and d 4 d_{4} be the number that comes up on the fourth dice. In how many ways can I roll the 4 dice in this way so that 3 divides d 1 + d 2 + d 3 + d 4 d_{1} + d_{2} + d_{3} + d_{4} ?


The answer is 432.

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6 solutions

Eddie The Head
Apr 20, 2014

Let us roll the first 3 dice...note that whatever the outcome of the first 2 dice may be there is only one possible outcome from the 4th dice to make the whole thing divisible by 3.So the number of possibilities = 6 6 6 2 = 432 6*6*6*2 = 432

nice logic......SALUTE..

Vighnesh Raut - 7 years, 1 month ago

same as you dude

kaivalya swami - 7 years, 1 month ago

I took a very simple route. The total number of combinations for d 1 , d 2 , d 3 , d 4 d_1, d_2, d_3, d_4 are 6 4 6^{4} . This is where I made an educated guess. 1 3 \frac{1}{3} of all numbers is divisible by 3 3 . This can be extended to the sum of all the d d 's. Thus, the number of sums divisible by 3 3 is the total combinations divided by 3 3 .

So, 6 4 6^{4} can be rewritten as 2 4 × 3 4 2^{4}\times3^{4}

Thus, 2 4 × 3 4 3 \frac{2^{4}\times3^{4}}{3} = = 2 4 × 3 3 2^{4}\times3^{3} = = 16 × 27 16\times27 = = 432 \boxed{432}

nice !!!!!!!

Sushant Samuel - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Thank You!

Nanayaranaraknas Vahdam - 7 years, 1 month ago

Your educated guess is not rigorous. This is not necessarily true; see Dice Sums 2 (which you have also "solved" by the same way) to know your mistake.

Ivan Koswara - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I think this is true in special cases where total number of faces is also a multiple of 3, like here it's 6.

Jitarani Nayak - 3 years, 5 months ago
Daryl Yara
Apr 28, 2014

Ok so uhm I don't really use formulas much so I based my answer more on logic. The numbers on the first three dice don't really matter, since the last die is the only one which determines whether the sum becomes a multiple of 3 or not. So in the first three dice, there are 216 ways of how the numbers of the dice end up. Then here, let's consider 3 cases. If the sum of the numbers of the first three dice: -is a multiple of 3, then you only need to add 3 or 6 -is 1 more than a multiple of 3 (like four, for example), you only need a 2 or a 5 -is 2 more than a multiple of 3 (like five, for example), you only need a 1 or a 4

As you must have noticed, there are 2 numbers to choose from, depending on your case, so therefore, it becomes 216 x 2 = 432 :D

Juan Almenara
Apr 18, 2014

El problema solo está en el primer dado: 6 posibilidades en los tres primeros son 6 x 6 x 6 = 216 posibilidades. Para el ultimo dado solo hay 2: (3,6) o (2,5) o (1,4) por lo tanto hay: 216 x 2 = 432.

Josh Rowley
Apr 17, 2014

Define f ( n ) f(n) as the number of ways to roll n n dice and 3 divides i = 1 n d i \sum_{i=1}^{n} d_{i} . Define g ( n ) g(n) as the number of ways to roll n n dice and i = 1 n d i 1 ( m o d 3 ) \sum_{i=1}^{n} d_{i} \equiv 1 \pmod{3} . Define h ( n ) h(n) as the number of ways to roll n n dice and i = 1 n d i 2 ( m o d 3 ) \sum_{i=1}^{n} d_{i} \equiv 2 \pmod{3} .

The first thing to note is that f ( 1 ) = g ( 1 ) = h ( 1 ) = 2 f(1) = g(1) = h(1) = 2

Now we seek a recursion. Consider f ( n + 1 ) f(n+1) . We can have:

d n + 1 = 3 , 6 d_{n+1} =3,6 in f ( n ) f(n) ways each

d n + 1 = 1 , 4 d_{n+1} = 1,4 in h ( n ) h(n) ways each

d n + 1 = 2 , 5 d_{n+1} = 2,5 in g ( n ) g(n) ways each

Therefore we get the recurrence: f ( n + 1 ) = 2 ( f ( n ) + g ( n ) + h ( n ) ) f(n+1) = 2(f(n) + g(n) + h(n))

We can do a similar thing with g ( n ) g(n) and h ( n ) h(n) to get the recurrences: g ( n + 1 ) = 2 ( f ( n ) + g ( n ) + h ( n ) ) g(n+1) = 2(f(n) + g(n) + h(n)) h ( n + 1 ) = 2 ( f ( n ) + g ( n ) + h ( n ) ) h(n+1) = 2(f(n) + g(n) + h(n))

Therefore in fact f ( n + 1 ) = g ( n + 1 ) = h ( n + 1 ) f(n+1) = g(n+1) = h(n+1) , so f ( n + 1 ) = 6 f ( n ) f(n+1) = 6f(n) .

Therefore f ( 4 ) = 6 3 × 2 = 423 f(4) = 6^3\times2 = \fbox{423}

For a harder version of this question, see https://brilliant.org/community-problem/dice-sums-2/?group=1cqtG7Evvhv9

I think its v easy

What u HV to do is just

As you know total possible outcome for3 dice is 6 6 6=216

And as you know the multiple of 3 are possibly made by only choosing any too no for a combinations. Like minimum total possible for 3 dice is 3 and Max is 18... So what u can gv by forth dice is 3,6 .to make minimum sum as multiple of 3 therefore each needs 2 obvious obtion to make total cumulation as a multiples of 3..just multiply ...

216*2=432@is required and

By veeru Indian

Rohit Singh - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I realise that mine was a bit overkill, its just how i set up the problem so i didn't really look for another solution. Nice work though

Josh Rowley - 7 years, 1 month ago

(might want to fix 423 -> 432)

Kevin Bourrillion - 7 years, 1 month ago
Parth Bhardwaj
Mar 5, 2015

Total number of combinations (without any special case ) would be 6^4 = 1296.Out of these there are equal number of chances of the sum to be -
a) exactly divisible by 3
b)remainder = 1 when divided by 3 c)remainder = 2 when divided by 3
So of the total cases, one third would be the solution = 1296/3 = 432


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