Diophantine Quartic

Let ( x 1 , y 1 ) , ( x 2 , y 2 ) , ( x n , y n ) (x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2),\ldots (x_n,y_n) be the positive integer solutions to the quartic x 4 + 2 x + 13 = y 2 x^4+2x+13=y^2 Find i = 1 n x i + y i \displaystyle\sum_{i=1}^nx_i+y_i


The answer is 18.

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3 solutions

Eddie The Head
Apr 7, 2014

Given y 2 = x 4 + 2 x + 13 y^{2} = x^{4}+2x+13 . Since x and y are positive integers we have y 2 > x 4 y^{2} > x^{4} y > x 2 y > x^{2} . y x 2 + 1 y \ge x^{2}+1 y 2 x 4 + 2 x 2 + 1 y^2 \ge x^{4}+2x^{2}+1 x 4 + 2 x + 13 x 4 + 2 x 2 + 1 x^{4}+2x+13 \ge x^{4} +2x^{2}+1 2 x 2 2 x 12 0 2x^{2}-2x-12 \le 0 x 2 x 6 0 x^{2}-x-6 \le 0 hence we have 2 x 3 -2 \le x \le 3 Hence there are 3 possible values of x x ,i.e, 1 , 2 , 3 1,2,3 . Of which we see that x = 1 x = 1 and x = 3 x = 3 only gives an integral value of y y . So the possible solutions are ( 1 , 4 ) (1,4) and ( 3 , 10 ) (3,10) .

So the sum is 1 + 4 + 3 + 10 = 18 1+4+3+10 = 18 .

Ah, nice solution. :)

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 1 month ago

nice solution ....

saurabh kumar agrawal - 7 years, 1 month ago

I just tried solving and got only these two sets, so the answer is 18.

Arjun Bharat - 7 years ago

Great solution!

milind prabhu - 7 years ago

dang it. I had (1,4) and (3,10). I picked up one of my student calculators not realizing it set to float the decimal. So, x = 101 and 103 looked like it generated an integer for y!! Then, I got lost thinking about n and how (x1, y1), (x2,y2), .... (xn,yn) works with the sum and how it would be a sequence.....and how.....

John Lawrence - 4 years, 4 months ago
Daniel Liu
Apr 6, 2014

First, let us note that y = x 2 y=x^2 is a strict lower bound of the solutions to the quartic: x 4 + 2 x + 13 > ( x 2 ) 2 x 4 + 2 x + 13 > x 4 2 x + 13 > 0 Which is always true. \begin{aligned}x^4+2x+13 &> (x^2)^2 \\ x^4+2x+13 &> x^4 \\ 2x+13 &> 0 \\ &\text{Which is always true.}\end{aligned}

Also, y = x 2 + 4 y=x^2+4 is a strict upper bound: x 4 + 2 x + 13 < ( x 2 + 4 ) 2 x 4 + 2 x + 13 < x 4 + 8 x 2 + 16 2 x + 13 < 8 x 2 + 16 0 < 8 x 2 2 x + 3 Which is always true. \begin{aligned}x^4+2x+13 &< (x^2+4)^2\\ x^4+2x+13 &< x^4+8x^2+16\\ 2x+13 &< 8x^2+16 \\ 0&< 8x^2-2x+3 \\ &\text{Which is always true.} \\\end{aligned}

Therefore, y = x 2 + 1 y=x^2+1 ( Case 1 ), y = x 2 + 2 y=x^2+2 ( Case 2 ), or y = x 2 + 3 y=x^2+3 ( Case 3 ).


Case 1:

x 4 + 2 x + 13 = ( x 2 + 1 ) 2 x 4 + 2 x + 13 = x 4 + 2 x 2 + 1 2 x + 13 = 2 x 2 + 1 x 2 x 6 = 0 ( x 3 ) ( x + 2 ) = 0 x = 3 y = 10 \begin{aligned}x^4+2x+13 &= (x^2+1)^2 \\ x^4+2x+13 &= x^4+2x^2+1 \\ 2x+13 &= 2x^2+1 \\ x^2-x-6 &=0 \\(x-3)(x+2) &= 0\\ x &=3 \\ y&= 10\end{aligned}

Case 2:

x 4 + 2 x + 13 = ( x 2 + 2 ) 2 x 4 + 2 x + 13 = x 4 + 4 x 2 + 4 2 x + 13 = 4 x 2 + 4 4 x 2 2 x 9 = 0 With no integer solutions. \begin{aligned}x^4+2x+13 &= (x^2+2)^2 \\ x^4+2x+13 &= x^4+4x^2+4 \\ 2x+13 &= 4x^2+4 \\ 4x^2-2x-9 &=0 \\ &\text{With no integer solutions.}\end{aligned}

Case 3:

x 4 + 2 x + 13 = ( x 2 + 3 ) 2 x 4 + 2 x + 13 = x 4 + 6 x 2 + 9 2 x + 13 = 6 x 2 + 9 3 x 2 x 2 = 0 ( x 1 ) ( 3 x + 2 ) = 0 x = 1 y = 4 \begin{aligned}x^4+2x+13 &= (x^2+3)^2 \\ x^4+2x+13 &= x^4+6x^2+9 \\ 2x+13 &= 6x^2+9 \\ 3x^2-x-2 &=0 \\(x-1)(3x+2) &= 0\\ x &=1 \\ y&= 4\end{aligned}

Therefore, we have that ( x 1 , y 1 ) = ( 3 , 10 ) (x_1,y_1)=(3,10) and ( x 2 , y 2 ) = ( 1 , 4 ) (x_2,y_2)=(1,4) . Our answer is therefore 3 + 10 + 1 + 4 = 18 3+10+1+4=\boxed{18} .

Since ( x 2 ) 2 < x 4 + 2 x + 13 < ( x 2 + 1 ) 2 (x^2)^2<x^4+2x+13<(x^2+1)^2 for x > 3 x>3 (since x 4 + 2 x + 13 < x 4 + 2 x 2 + 1 ( x 3 ) ( x + 2 ) > 0 x^4+2x+13<x^4+2x^2+1\iff (x-3)(x+2)>0 ), we just check the values x = 1 , 2 , 3 x=1,2,3 , getting the pairs ( 1 , 4 ) , ( 3 , 10 ) (1,4),(3,10) .

Luis Rivera - 7 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, Brilliant.org seems to have glitched up with the formatting... I can't seem to fix it. :(

EDIT: found a loophole around the unfixable glitch. I have no idea how it works, so I can't really report it... :( It has something to do with the \ [ \ ] LaTeX formatting brackets though.

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 2 months ago

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What was the issue that you were having? Can you email me the Latex exactly as you typed it?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago
Finn Hulse
Apr 11, 2014

Honestly, it's not too hard to just bash out. It's easy to find the first two solutions, which are just ( 1 , 4 ) (1,4) and ( 3 , 10 ) (3, 10) . My favorite part of my (quite brief) solution is proving that none other pairs are possible. Just bear with me, and it's really not too hard to understand. I have a terrible grasp on inequalities like Cauchy-Schwarz and AM-GM and stuff like that. In fact, if anybody wants to help me out there, it'd be most appreciated. Anyways, start off by noticing that x 4 x^4 is a perfect square. Now recall that the difference between any consecutive squares is simply their sum. For example, the difference between 1 5 2 15^2 and 1 4 2 14^2 is just 15 + 14 = 29 15+14=29 . We can use this to our advantage! The reason being is that both y 2 y^2 and x 4 x^4 are perfect squares. Because y 2 y^2 is obviously larger than x 4 x^4 , we can assume that they are either consecutive squares, or y 2 y^2 is some other amount larger than x 4 x^4 . So, bear with me: let's assume that x 4 x^4 and y 2 y^2 are indeed consecutive squares. Then their difference is simply x 2 + y x^2+y . Remember that y y is greater than x x regardless, so we can substitute this in: x 2 + x x^2+x AT LEAST. Remember, it could be + 2 x +2x or + 3 x +3x or whatever. But we'll consider the bare minimum as to not skip any cases. Now we have an equation, since we already know that the difference between the squares is 2 x + 13 2x+13 . Let's set it up (remember that we want 2 x + 13 2x+13 to be greater than or equal to x 2 + x x^2+x ): x 2 x < = 13 x^2-x<=13 . The largest integral value of x x that can satisfy this equation is four. So we only need to consider cases less than four! But first let me give an example as to why my solution is valid: let's consider x = 5 x=5 . We will see that plugging this in won't quite reach the next highest square. This is 2 5 2 + 2 ( 10 ) + 13 648 25^2+2(10)+13 \Longrightarrow 648 which is less than 2 6 2 26^2 by twenty-eight. We can prove that their difference diverges (gets larger and larger) as x x increases. Let's try x = 6 x=6 . Plugging this in for x x produces one thousand three hundred twenty one, which is forty-eight less than 3 7 2 37^2 . So as we can see, we only need to consider four cases because the larger x x gets, the farther away it becomes from the next perfect square. Thus, the desired quantity is 1 + 3 + 4 + 10 18 1+3+4+10 \Longrightarrow \boxed{18} . :D

nice idea finn! i used a very similar idea myself....it seems to be correct.

Surajit Rajagopal - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

@Daniel Liu do you like my solution? Also, do you think you could help me out with my stupidity on inequalities? Between inequalities and trigonometric identities, I'm totally clueless.

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 2 months ago

So, bear with me: let's assume that x 4 x^4 and y 2 y^2 are indeed consecutive squares. Then their difference is simply x 2 + y x^2+y .

This line is not true. The reason that the difference of 1 5 2 15^2 and 1 4 2 14^2 is 15 + 14 15+14 is because 15 15 and 14 14 are consecutive numbers. The difference of x 4 x^4 and y 2 y^2 would be, by difference of squares, ( x 2 + y ) ( x 2 y ) (x^2+y)(x^2-y) . So that part of your solution is unfortunately invalid.

Also, consider putting some line breaks in that solution. walls of text often deter people from reading them. Nice try, though. :)

@Finn Hulse \leftarrow this is probably redundant but I'll do it just in case.

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I see what you are trying to say, but I think you need to re-read. I'm first assuming that y y is greater than x 2 x^2 . Because they're both integers, I'm considering the minimum case (that they're consecutive squares) and proving that it cannot even exceed the next perfect square after x = 4 x=4 . So there is no flaw there. Also, it's irrelevant to factor, I prove my point in a simpler fashion. I'm on an iPod right now, so this is painful to write. More tomorrow.

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

Paragraphs are useful.

Richard Desper - 4 years, 7 months ago

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