Disprove that 4 \sqrt{4} is irrational

You all must be familiar with the 'famous' proof by contradiction to prove the irrationality of 2 \sqrt{2} . The following is a reminder of that proof. If you already know this, you may skip to the main question.

Problem:

Prove that 2 \sqrt{2} is irrational.

Solution:

Let us assume that 2 \sqrt{2} is rational. Then 2 \sqrt{2} can be expressed in the form of p q \dfrac{p}{q} for coprime integers p p and q q with q 0 q \neq 0 .

Now

2 = p q 2 = p 2 q 2 ( squaring both sides ) 2 q 2 = p 2 \begin{aligned} & \sqrt{2} &=& \dfrac pq \\ \implies & 2 &=& \dfrac{p^2}{q^2} \small {\color{#3D99F6} ( \text{squaring both sides} )} \\ \implies & 2q^2 &=& p^2 \end{aligned}

Thus 2 p 2 2 p 2 | p^2 \implies 2 | p .

So let p = 2 k p = 2k for some integer k k . Substituting p p in 2 q 2 = p 2 2q^2 = p^2 gives

2 q 2 = ( 2 k ) 2 2 q 2 = 4 k 2 q 2 = 2 k 2 \begin{aligned} & 2q^2 &=& {(2k)}^2 \\ \implies & 2q^2 &=& 4k^2 \\ \implies & q^2 &=& 2k^2 \end{aligned}

Thus 2 q 2 2 q 2 | q^2 \implies 2 | q .

Hence 2 2 is a common factor of both p p and q q . But this contradicts the fact that p p and q q are coprime integers, hence our assumption is false.

\therefore \ 2 \sqrt{2} is irrational.

( Q . E . D . ) \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \left( \mathbf{Q.E.D.} \right)


Main Question \large \text{Main Question}

Let us do a similar procedure with 4 \sqrt{4} .

Flawed problem:

Prove that 4 \sqrt{4} is irrational.

Flawed solution:

Step 1:

Let us assume that 4 \sqrt{4} is rational. Then 4 \sqrt{4} can be expressed in the form of p q \dfrac{p}{q} for coprime integers p p and q q with q 0 q \neq 0 .

Step 2:

Now

4 = p q 4 = p 2 q 2 ( squaring both sides ) 4 q 2 = p 2 \begin{aligned} & \sqrt{4} &=& \dfrac pq \\ \implies & 4 &=& \dfrac{p^2}{q^2} \small {\color{#3D99F6} ( \text{squaring both sides} )} \\ \implies & 4q^2 &=& p^2 \end{aligned}

Step 3:

Thus 4 p 2 4 p 4 | p^2 \implies 4 | p .

Step 4:

So let p = 4 k p = 4k for some integer k k . Substituting p p in 4 q 2 = p 2 4q^2 = p^2 gives

4 q 2 = ( 4 k ) 2 4 q 2 = 16 k 2 q 2 = 4 k 2 \begin{aligned} & 4q^2 &=& {(4k)}^2 \\ \implies & 4q^2 &=& 16k^2 \\ \implies & q^2 &=& 4k^2 \end{aligned}

Step 5:

Thus 4 q 2 4 q 4 | q^2 \implies 4 | q .

Step 6:

Hence 4 4 is a common factor of both p p and q q . But this contradicts the fact that p p and q q are coprime integers, hence our assumption is false.

\therefore \ 4 \sqrt{4} is irrational.

( Q . E . D . ) \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad \left( \mathbf{Q.E.D.} \right)


But we know that 4 = 2 \sqrt{4} = 2 is rational.

In which step in the flawed solution shown above has the error been committed for the first time?

Step 3 Step 2 Step 5 Step 6 Step 1

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2 solutions

In the proof that 2 \sqrt{2} is irrational we have the correct step that 2 p 2 2 p 2|p^{2} \Longrightarrow 2|p , since in general it is the case that if r r is a prime such that r a b r|ab then either r a r|a or r b r|b , and in this case r = 2 r = 2 and a = b = p a = b = p . But this does not hold if r r is not prime. For example, 4 ( 6 × 10 ) 4|(6 \times 10) but 4 4 divides neither 6 6 nor 10 10 . So in step 3 of the flawed proof that 4 \sqrt{4} is irrational the inference that 4 p 2 4 p 4|p^{2} \Longrightarrow 4|p is incorrect, As it so happens, p = 2 p = 2 , and while 4 2 2 4|2^{2} it is not the case that 4 2 4|2 . Steps 1 and 2 are legitimate, so the first error in the flawed proof occurs in step 3 \boxed{\text{step 3}} .

Exactly! Great solution sir.

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 2 months ago

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@Tapas Mazumdar you could make a discussion about this.

Razzi Masroor - 4 years, 2 months ago

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If I make one then people won't ponder over this and just look at the reasoning behind this principle. I find it better to keep this as a problem so that people think more on their own.

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Md Zuhair - 4 years, 2 months ago
Sahil Silare
Apr 1, 2017

LOL This was in class 9th I guess in first chapter -“Rational numbers”

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