Distance Tells Us The Area

Geometry Level 3

Let A B C D ABCD be a square and P P be a point inside the square such that P B = 23 PB = 23 and P D = 29 PD = 29 . Find the area of A P C \triangle APC


The answer is 78.

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5 solutions

Brian Sun
Aug 22, 2016

Let E E be a point on A B AB where P E PE is perpendicular to A B AB . Let A B AB be distance a a , P E PE be distance x x , and E B EB be distance y y . From the problem we have x 2 + y 2 = 2 3 2 x^{2}+y^{2}=23^{2} and similarly, ( a x ) 2 + ( a y ) 2 = 2 9 2 (a-x)^{2}+(a-y)^{2}=29^{2} .

( a x ) 2 + ( a y ) 2 = 2 9 2 2 a 2 2 a x 2 a y + x 2 + y 2 = 841 (a-x)^{2}+(a-y)^{2}=29^{2}\Rightarrow 2a^{2}-2ax-2ay+x^{2}+y^{2}=841

Substitute x 2 + y 2 = 2 3 2 x^{2}+y^{2}=23^{2} to get:

2 a 2 2 a x 2 a y + 529 = 841 a 2 a x a y = 156 2a^{2}-2ax-2ay+529=841\Rightarrow a^{2}-ax-ay=156

a 2 a^{2} is double the area of Δ A B C \Delta ABC , a x ax is double the area of Δ A B P \Delta ABP , and a y ay is double the area of Δ B P C \Delta BPC . Recognize that the area of Δ A P C \Delta APC = Δ A B C Δ A B P Δ B P C \Delta ABC - \Delta ABP - \Delta BPC . To get this, divide the above equation by 2. The answer is thus 1 2 ( a 2 a x a y ) = 78 \frac{1}{2}(a^{2}-ax-ay)=78 .

I was looking for such an excellent solution :-)

Mahadi Hasan - 4 years, 9 months ago

Brilliant...

Rudransh Goyal - 4 years, 9 months ago

whoa... a brilliant and simple solution... great work bro :)

Azzam Labib - 4 years, 9 months ago
Mahadi Hasan
Aug 21, 2016

We can solve a more general case of the problem using coordinate geometry. At first it seems that how it could be possible to find the area when we are just given the distance P A PA and P B PB . We won't even need to evaluate anything else. By using determinant and distance formula we can figure out how the required area relates to the given distances.

So let the coordinates of A , B , C , D , P A,B,C,D,P be ( 0 , 0 ) , ( a , 0 ) , ( a , a ) , ( 0 , a ) , ( x , y ) (0,0), (a,0), (a,a), (0,a), (x,y) . Let P B = m PB=m and P D = n PD=n .

Using determinant we find that [ A P C ] [APC] = = 1 2 \frac{1}{2} a ( x y ) |a(x-y)|

Using distance formula we find that, m 2 = ( x a ) 2 + y 2 . . . ( 1 ) m^2 = (x-a)^2 + y^2...(1) and n 2 = x 2 + ( y a ) 2 . . . . ( 2 ) n^2 = x^2 + (y-a)^2....(2)

Now subtracting (2) from (1) yields that m 2 n 2 = 2 a y 2 a x m^2 - n^2 = 2ay - 2ax thus 1 2 \frac{1}{2} a ( x y ) |a(x-y)| = 1 4 \frac{1}{4} m 2 n 2 |m^2 - n^2|

Therefore, [ A P C ] [APC] = = 1 4 \frac{1}{4} 2 3 2 2 9 2 |23^2 - 29^2| = = 78 78

Very neat solution.

Siva Bathula - 4 years, 9 months ago

Nice question. At first I had thought there wasn't enough information provided, so the invariance of the solution was a revelation.

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 9 months ago

epic solution avi .... go ahed my younger brother ...

Abdullah Ahmed - 4 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Abdullah vai :)

Mahadi Hasan - 4 years, 9 months ago
Ujjwal Rane
Aug 23, 2016

Simple extreme cases Simple extreme cases The smallest square that can accommodate this will have the shorter segment (23) aligned with its side as shown. 2 9 2 = ( 23 + x ) 2 + x 2 29^2 = (23 + x)^2 + x^2 giving x = 1153 23 2 x = \frac{\sqrt{1153} - 23}{2} . The desired area of the yellow triangle is same as the blue triangle (common base, identical height) = x ( 23 + x ) 2 = 1 2 1153 23 2 × 46 + 1153 23 2 = 1153 2 3 2 8 = 78 \frac{x (23 + x)}{2} = \frac {1}{2} \frac{\sqrt{1153} - 23}{2} \times \frac{46 + \sqrt{1153} - 23}{2} = \frac{1153 - 23^2}{8} = 78

Now if we want to be adventurous and want to do away with the condition that P is inside the square, we get an even more interesting special case, where the segments (29) and (23) overlap to give an isosceles triangle of base 6 and height 26 as shown

The invariance of the area can be proved using conics - Ellipse and Hyperbola. Consider a family of ellipses sharing a common major axis 29 + 23 = 52, with varying foci ( ± f , 0 ) ( \pm f,0 ) . Coordinates (h,k) of points at a fixed distance (say 23) from one focus, on each of these ellipses has a property 4 h f = 2 9 2 2 3 2 = 312 = c o n s t a n t 4hf = 29^2 - 23^2 = 312 = constant Here (h) is the height of the triangle and 2f the base of the triangle or the diagonal of the square.

Further, the points will be the locus of intersections of the family of ellipses mentioned above and a family of hyperbolae (with fixed vertices as a = constant = 3 = (29 - 23)/2) I will try to animate it and post a video. @Calvin Lin what is the best way to post this? Not everyone sees a solution.

Good observation :)

Mahadi Hasan - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Thanks, noted a few more things. This problem is so rich in its visual aspect! Loved it!

Ujjwal Rane - 4 years, 9 months ago

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@Ujjwal Rane Great approach to prove the invariance, out of the box thought (y)

Mahadi Hasan - 4 years, 9 months ago
Michael Mendrin
Aug 21, 2016

The cheat way of solving this problem is to assume that DPB can be a straight line, with a length of 23 + 29 = 52. The center of the diagonal is 3 from point P, so the area of the yellow triangle is (1/2)(3)(52) = 78

See Hasan's proof showing the area of the yellow triangle is invariant. Thank you, Hasan.

It would be nice to see if one can prove so without using coordinate geometry :D

Mahadi Hasan - 4 years, 9 months ago

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The invariance can be proved using a family of ellipses. I have posted it as a part of the solution below.

Ujjwal Rane - 4 years, 9 months ago

excellent shortcut @Michael Mendrin

Abdullah Ahmed - 4 years, 9 months ago

Great solution @Michael Mendrin ! And great result @Mahadi Hasan!

I used the other extreme case where the 23 long line aligns with a side of the square. (Posting as a solution separately) There is another, even simpler special case if we allow point P to go out of the square. And finally, there is a way of proving the invariance of the area using a family of ellipses sharing a common major axis (plotted using string length 52). I have included that in the solution below.

But wait, there is more! :-) One can pair up these ellipses with a family of hyperbolae with a common 'waist' (for want of the right word :-)) or vertices. Their pairwise intersections give points P. The diagonally opposite vertices (D & B) of the square are their shared foci.

Ujjwal Rane - 4 years, 9 months ago
Edwin Gray
Jan 3, 2018

Let h be the altitude of triangle CPB. h is drawn from P perpendicularly to CB, so the area of |CPB| is (1/2)hs, where s is the side of the square. Similarly, let m be the altitude from P to AB, so the |APB| = (1/2)ms.By the Pythagorean Theorem: (1) (s - h)^2 + (s - m)^2 =29^2 = 841 = s^2 - 2sh + h^2 + s^2 - 2sm + m^2 = 841, and (2) h^2 + m^2 = 23^2 = 529. Substituting (2) into (1), and simplifying, s^2 - s(h + m) = 156, or s(h + m) = s^2 - 15. The area of |APC| = (1/2)s^2 - |APB| - |CPB| = (1/2)s^2 - (1/2)ms - (1/2)hs, or (s/2)[s - (m + h)]; but m + h = s - 156/s. So |APC| =(s/2)*(156/s) = 78. Ed Gray

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