A Triangle Problem

Geometry Level 5

The distances of a point from the vertices of an equilateral triangle are 3 , 5 , 7 3,5,7 . The point lies in the plane of the triangle and outside the triangle.

If the side length of the equilateral triangle is s s . Find s 2 s^2


The answer is 19.

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8 solutions

David Vreken
Jul 15, 2019

Label the equilateral triangle Q R S QRS and label the point outside the triangle P P , and rotate the whole diagram 60 ° 60° counterclockwise about Q Q so that S S goes to R R , P P goes to P P' , and R R goes to R R' . Then R P = S P = 3 RP' = SP = 3 , R P = R P = 5 R'P' = RP = 5 , and Q P = Q P = 7 QP = QP' = 7 .

Draw P P PP' . Since Q P = Q P QP = QP' and P Q P = 60 ° \angle PQP' = 60° , P Q P \triangle PQP' is an equilateral triangle and P P = Q P = Q P = 7 PP' = QP = QP' = 7 .

By the law of cosines on P R P \triangle PRP' , P R P = cos 1 ( 3 2 + 5 2 7 2 2 3 5 ) = 120 ° \angle PRP' = \cos^{-1} (\frac{3^2 + 5^2 - 7^2}{2 \cdot 3 \cdot 5}) = 120° .

By the angle sum of a triangle, R P P + R P P = 60 ° \angle RPP' + \angle RP'P = 60° , and from equilateral triangle P Q P \triangle PQP' , Q P R + R P P = Q P R + R P P = 60 ° \angle QP'R + \angle RP'P = \angle QPR + \angle RPP' = 60° , and since Q P R Q P S \triangle QP'R \cong \triangle QPS by SSS congruence, Q P S = Q P R \angle QPS = \angle QP'R . Therefore, S P R = Q P S + Q P R = 60 ° \angle SPR = \angle QPS + \angle QPR = 60° .

Finally, by law of cosines on S P R \triangle SPR , s 2 = 3 2 + 5 2 2 3 5 cos 60 ° = 19 s^2 = 3^2 + 5^2 - 2 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot \cos 60° = \boxed{19} .

Brilliant. By implementating Pompeiu's theorem one solves the problem in a similar manner (in addition to the cosine rule of course).

Bluefjord pi - 1 year, 2 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Jul 11, 2019

Let the coordinate of the three vertices of the equilateral triangle be ( 0 , 3 2 s ) \left(0, \frac {\sqrt 3}2s \right) , ( 1 2 s , 0 ) \left(\frac 12s, 0 \right) , and ( 1 2 s , 0 ) \left(-\frac 12s, 0 \right) , and the coordinates of the external point be P ( x , y ) P (x,y) . Then by Pythagorean theorem :

{ x 2 + ( y 3 2 s ) 2 = 3 2 . . . ( 1 ) ( x 1 2 s ) 2 + y 2 = 5 2 . . . ( 2 ) ( x + 1 2 s ) 2 + y 2 = 7 2 . . . ( 3 ) { x 2 + y 2 3 s y + 3 4 s 2 = 9 . . . ( 1 ) x 2 s x + 1 4 s 2 + y 2 = 25 . . . ( 2 ) x 2 + s x + 1 4 s 2 + y 2 = 49 . . . ( 3 ) \begin{cases} x^2 + \left(y - \frac {\sqrt 3}2s\right)^2 = 3^2 & ...(1) \\ \left(x - \frac 12s\right)^2 + y^2 = 5^2 & ...(2) \\ \left(x + \frac 12s\right)^2 + y^2 = 7^2 & ...(3) \end{cases} \implies \begin{cases} x^2 + y^2 - \sqrt 3sy + \frac 34 s^2 = 9 & ...(1) \\ x^2 - sx + \frac 14 s^2 + y^2 = 25 & ...(2) \\ x^2 + sx + \frac 14 s^2 + y^2 = 49 & ...(3) \end{cases}

{ ( 3 ) ( 2 ) : 2 s x = 24 x = 12 s ( 3 ) ( 1 ) : s x + 3 s y s 2 2 = 40 y = 28 3 s + s 2 3 \begin{cases} (3)-(2): \ 2sx = 24 & \implies x = \dfrac {12}s \\ (3)-(1): sx + \sqrt 3sy - \dfrac {s^2}2 = 40 & \implies y = \dfrac {28}{\sqrt 3s} + \dfrac s{2\sqrt 3} \end{cases}

Substitute x x and y y in ( 3 ) (3) :

144 s 2 + 12 + s 2 4 + 784 3 s 2 + 28 3 + s 2 12 = 49 s 2 3 83 3 + 1216 3 s 2 = 0 Multiply both sides by 3 s 2 s 4 83 s 2 + 1216 = 0 ( s 2 64 ) ( s 2 19 ) = 0 s 2 = 19 \begin{aligned} \frac {144}{s^2} + 12 + \frac {s^2}4 + \frac {784}{3s^2} + \frac {28}3 + \frac {s^2}{12} & = 49 \\ \frac {s^2}3 - \frac {83}3 + \frac{1216}{3s^2} & = 0 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Multiply both sides by }3s^2 \\ s^4 - 83s^2 + 1216 & = 0 \\ (s^2 - 64)(s^2 - 19) & = 0 \\ \implies s^2 & = \boxed{19} \end{aligned}

Note that s = 64 = 8 s=\sqrt {64} = 8 is unacceptable because the point P P will be in the equilateral triangle.

subtle approach!

nibedan mukherjee - 1 year, 11 months ago

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Glad that you like it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 year, 11 months ago

But sir won't there be 6 cases of connecting coordinates with distance formula, are the rest cases yielding no result??

Edward Washington - 1 year, 11 months ago

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They all are either image reflections or rotational equivalents

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 year, 11 months ago

I see what you mean Edward. The working has arbitrarily chosen which vertex is which distance from the point. Therefore the other points do not come up.

Max Patrick - 1 year, 6 months ago
Nibedan Mukherjee
Jul 10, 2019

Let ABC be the given equilateral triangle and P the point who’s distances from the vertices of ABC are PA=7, PB=3 and PC=5. If we consider the equilateral triangles PBD and PCE outside BPC, we get the well-known figure where Fermat’s point occurs as the point where the red line segments concur. Now, these red segments are congruent, just because triangles ABP and CBD are congruent as well as triangles DPC and BPE are. Hence, the sides of triangle BPE have lengths 3, 5 and 7. Using cosine rule on this triangle, we get: B E 2 = P B 2 + P E 2 2 P B P E cos θ cos θ = P B 2 + P E 2 B E 2 2 P B P E = 3 2 + 5 2 7 2 2 3 5 = 1 2 θ = 12 0 B P C = θ E P C = 12 0 6 0 = 6 0 \begin{array}{l} B{E^2} = P{B^2} + P{E^2} - 2 \cdot PB \cdot PE \cdot \cos \theta \\ \Rightarrow \cos \theta = \frac{{P{B^2} + P{E^2} - B{E^2}}}{{2 \cdot PB \cdot PE}} = \frac{{{3^2} + {5^2} - {7^2}}}{{2 \cdot 3 \cdot 5}} = - \frac{1}{2}\\ \Rightarrow \theta = 120^\circ \\ \Rightarrow \angle BPC = \theta - \angle EPC = 120^\circ - 60^\circ = 60^\circ \end{array} Once again, by cosine rule, on triangle BPC this time, we have: B C 2 = P B 2 + P C 2 2 P B P C cos ( B P C ) = 3 2 + 5 2 2 3 5 cos 6 0 = 9 + 25 2 3 5 1 2 = 19 \begin{array}{l} B{C^2} = P{B^2} + P{C^2} - 2 \cdot PB \cdot PC \cdot \cos \left( {\angle BPC} \right)\\ = {3^2} + {5^2} - 2 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot \cos 60^\circ = 9 + 25 - 2 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot \frac{1}{2} = 19 \end{array} The answer is s 2 = 19 {s^2} = \boxed{19}

Zhang Xiaokang
Jul 10, 2019

Note: triangle A' is obtained upon a 60 degrees clockwise rotation of triangle A; Theta is the angle ∠OPN

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David Simon
Dec 24, 2019

Yuriy Kazakov
Jul 10, 2019

I use GeoGebra . The Answer is 19.

I use the Heron formula and create an equation adding in one side the areas for the triangles (s, 3, 7) and (s, 5, 7), and in the other side (s, s, s) and (s, 3, 5). Solving the equation there are other solution for s that is 6.4 and the square 40.96. I would like to understand why it is not accepted, am I doing something wrong?.

Carlos de Armas - 1 year, 11 months ago

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Yuriy Kazakov - 1 year, 11 months ago

Solve
(-sqrt((3+5+s) (3+5-s) (3-5+s) (-3+5+s))+sqrt((3+s+7) (3+s-7) (3-s+7) (-3+s+7)) +sqrt((s+5+7) (-s+5+7) (s-5+7) (s+5-7))-sqrt(3) s^2). We get s=4.3589. 4.3589^2=19.
I used https://keisan.casio.com/calculator for do loop from 3-.1-20, 4-.1-10, 4.3-.01-10, 4.35-.001-10, 4.358-.0001-10 at 4.3589 the result was 0.

Niranjan Khanderia - 1 year, 2 months ago

Good question

Prakash Kallanmarthodi - 1 year, 6 months ago
Vinod Kumar
Apr 1, 2020

Use the relation 3(3^4+5^4+7^4+s^4)=(3^2+5^2+7^2+s^2)^2 Find, s^2=19 and 64. Choose the relevant Answer =19.

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