Let a and b be 2 distinct real numbers such that a 2 + 3 a + 1 = b 2 + 3 b + 1 = 0 . Find the value of b a + a b .
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Nice application of Vieta
Well explained solution! I solved the problem the same exact way :D
but ab = -4 not 1
Well explained!
but if we put a=-4 and b=1 it satisfy the equation but my answer was wrong
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It's because (a^2+3a+1=0).
@kanishkarora, note that a 2 + 3 a + 1 = b 2 + 3 b + 1 = 0 .
If we go about solving this the normal way,
a 2 + 3 a + 1 = b 2 + 3 b + 1
a 2 − b 2 + 3 ( a − b ) = 0
( a + b ) ( a − b ) + 3 ( a − b ) = 0
( a + b + 3 ) ( a − b ) = 0
Then, we get
a + b = − 3 and/or a = b . The second case is impossible as a and b are distinct reals.
That is why any integers that sum to − 3 give you equal values on both sides for a 2 + 3 a + 1 = b 2 + 3 b + 1 .
However, none of those integer combinations will satisfy a 2 + 3 a + 1 = b 2 + 3 b + 1 = 0 as there are no integer solutions to x 2 + 3 x + 1 = 0 .
Given a 2 + 3 a + 1 = 0 & b 2 + 3 b + 1 = 0 . Clearly a and b are roots of the equation x 2 + 3 x + 1 = 0 .
∴ a + b = − 3 & a b = 1 We need to find b a + a b = a b a 2 + b 2 = a b ( a + b ) 2 − 2 a b
Substituting the values we get a b ( a + b ) 2 − 2 a b = 1 ( − 3 ) 2 − 2 = 1 7 Hence the answer.
Since the equations given are the same one but with different variables we can deduce that a and b are the two roots of the equation x 2 + 3 x + 1 = 0 , which are x + = 2 − 3 + 5 x − = 2 − 3 − 5
Now we take x + = a and x − = b and begin to operate this way:
b a + a b = = 2 − 3 − 5 2 − 3 + 5 + 2 − 3 + 5 2 − 3 − 5 = = − 3 − 5 − 3 + 5 + − 3 + 5 − 3 − 5 = = ( − 3 − 5 ) ( − 3 + 5 ) ( − 3 + 5 ) ( − 3 + 5 ) + ( − 3 − 5 ) ( − 3 − 5 ) = = 9 − 5 9 + 5 − 6 5 + 9 + 5 + 6 5 = 4 2 8 = 7
I did the same way.
x^2+3x+1=0 a+b=-3 ab=1 (a/b)+(b/a)=(a^2+b^2)/ab={(a+b)^2-2ab}/ab=9-2=7
a+b=-3, (-3)^2-2=7
a^2+3a+1=b^2+3b+1 a^2-b^2=-3(a-b) a+b=-3 ((a+b)^2-2ab)÷ab ((-3)^2-2(1))÷1 =7 Take note ab=1 since it is common on both the side with the a's and also at the b's.
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Note that b a + a b = a b a 2 + a b b 2 = a b a 2 + b 2 = a b ( a + b ) 2 − 2 a b . For a quadratic equation A x 2 + B x + C = 0 , where A , B and C are real numbers and A = 0 , Vieta's Theorem states that Sum of roots = − A B and Product of roots = A C . It thus follows that a + b = − 1 3 = − 3 and a b = 1 1 = 1 . Hence, a b ( a + b ) 2 − 2 a b = 1 ( − 3 ) 2 − 2 ( 1 ) = 9 − 2 = 7 , and we are done. □