Divide The Set

Logic Level 4

Let n n be a positive integer greater than 3 3 which has the following property: take the set S n = { 2 , 3 , 4 , . . . , n } S_n=\{2,3,4,...,n\} and divide it into two groups such that there always exists a group that has three numbers, a , b , c a,b,c ( a a can be equal to b b ) that satisfies a b = c ab=c . Find the minimum value of n n .


The answer is 32.

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1 solution

ChengYiin Ong
Nov 19, 2019

We claim that the minimum value of n n is 2 5 2^5 . Let A , B A,B be two groups for S n S_n that does not satisfy the condition a b = c ab=c , WLOG assume 2 A 2 \in A .

If n 2 5 n\ge2^5 , then

if 2 2 A 2^2 \in A , 2 , 2 , 2 2 A 2,2,2^2 \in A , which is impossible, so 2 2 B 2^2 \in B

if 2 4 B 2^4 \in B , 2 2 , 2 2 , 2 4 A 2^2,2^2,2^4 \in A , which is impossible, so 2 4 A 2^4 \in A

if 2 3 A 2^3 \in A , 2 , 2 3 , 2 4 A 2,2^3,2^4 \in A , which is impossible, so 2 3 B 2^3 \in B

However we cannot place 2 5 2^5 in any group that does not satisfy the condition, since if 2 5 A 2^5 \in A , then 2 , 2 4 , 2 5 A 2,2^4,2^5 \in A and if 2 5 B 2^5 \in B , then 2 2 , 2 3 , 2 5 B 2^2,2^3,2^5 \in B . Thus, when n 2 5 n\ge2^5 , the set S n S_n must satisfy the condition, so we know n 2 5 n\leq2^5 .

Now, consider the following A , B A,B ,

A = { 2 , 3 , 16 , 17 , . . . , 31 } A'=\{2,3,16,17,...,31\} and B = { 4 , 5 , . . . , 15 } B'=\{4,5,...,15\} , it does not satisfy the condition neither, and notice that for n < 2 5 n<2^5 there are two groups A A A\cap A' and B B B\cap B' , where A , B A,B are whatever groups we chose, which does not satisfy the condition.

Thus, the minimum value is 2 5 = 32 2^5=32 .

Bonus, can you generalize if S n = k , k + 1 , . . . , n S_n={k,k+1,...,n} for some k > 1 ? k>1?

I would phrase the question a little differently. You say: "take the set S n = { 2 , 3 , 4 , . . . , n } S_n=\{2,3,4,...,n\} and divide it into two groups such that ..."

You want to say "take the set S n = { 2 , 3 , 4 , , n } S_n = \{2,3,4,\ldots,n\} such that any partition of S n = A 1 A 2 S_n = A_1 \cup A_2 has the property that there exists i { 1 , 2 } i \in \{1,2\} and a , b , c A i a,b,c \in A_i such that a b = c ab = c (with a = b a=b allowed.)

The way you've phrased it, you're just saying that there exists a partition satisfying the property. But you want to say every partition satisfies the property.

Also, I would avoid using the word "groups", which has an algebraic meaning that you don't want. Just use "sets".

Richard Desper - 1 year, 6 months ago

Apology for my poor phrasing...

ChengYiin Ong - 1 year, 6 months ago

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