Divided by 11s.... United by remainders

Using the digits 1,4,7 exactly once and as many zeroes as you want, you may form a number. What is the difference between the smallest and largest reminder that can be obtained when the number is divided by 11 ?


This is a part of the set 11≡ awesome (mod remainders)


The answer is 9.

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6 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 16, 2014

We note that 407 0 m o d 11 407 \equiv 0 \mod{11}

Therefore, 417 = 407 + 10 10 m o d 11 417 = 407+10 \equiv 10 \mod{11}

Now, 4170 = 4070 + 100 = 4070 + 99 + 1 1 m o d 11 4170 = 4070 +100 = 4070 + 99 + 1 \equiv 1 \mod{11}

Note that 1 1 and 10 10 are the smallest and largest remainderx possible and their difference is 10 1 = 9 10-1=\boxed{9} .

i thought number 1,4,7 must be used exactly once

Henrison Sanchez - 6 years, 8 months ago

the question was not clear

Samujjwal Samanta - 6 years, 8 months ago

instead of taking 417 can we take 147??

Arun Kumar Kundeti - 6 years, 8 months ago

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147 will give 4 as a remainder which is neither smallest nor largest....while 417 is taken because 407 is a multiple of 11

Afreen Sheikh - 6 years, 4 months ago

hindi koh gets...

Laika Mae Claus - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Huwag pong mag-tagalog, kung ayaw mong walang makakaintindi sa iyo. Pwede akong magtranslate kung gusto mo.

Joeie Christian Santana - 6 years, 8 months ago

I used the same method but I guess the question has been made really simple because of the divisor given as 11. This reduces the possibility of the remainders to only 1-10.

Satyajit Ghosh - 5 years, 8 months ago
Rama Devi
Jun 4, 2015

The number that will form the largest remainder is 417 (which gives the remainder as 10)and the number that gives the smallest remainder is 4170(a remainder of 1).

Therefore the difference between the largest and the smallest remainders is 9.

Moderator note:

Why? Where's your working? What's your motivation behind your action?

714 = 10 (mod 11) let 0 be the first digit before 7 -> 0714 reverse the number -> 4170 = 1 (mod 11) then, 10-1 = 9.

Christian Filemon - 4 years, 5 months ago
Saurabh Yadav
Oct 5, 2014

10407 when divided by 11 gives 10 as reminder and when 1004070 is divided gives 1. hence 9.

Delano Might
Oct 28, 2015

Interestingly, I noted that the divisibility of a number by 11 ties fairly accurately to its remainder when divided by 11. By divisibility rule, for a number to be divisible by 11, the sum of odd digits - sum of even digits = 11. However, it would seem that if the rule number (i.e., the sum of all odd digits -sum of all even digits) were divided by 11, the remainder would be the same. Look at the following cases:

Unique Case: All digits are odd (e.g. 10407)

11 10407 = 946 , 11|10407 = 946, rem 1 1 ( 1 + 4 + 7 ( 0 ) = 12 1+4+7-(0)=12 (or rem 1))

Now, for any other number, the digits given will have two of them being summed, and the third subtracted from it (e.g. 1 + 7 4 = 4 1+7-4=4 ). From this we can develop the table below:

Interestingly, you can see that there is a direct link between the last two columns, and you can easily use this principle to determine the largest and smallest remainders of the given numbers. (Of course, my theory needs some tweaking once 0's come in, but you get the picture.)

So from here, we realize that the largest and smallest remainders will be 10 and 1, the differences of which will be 9.

Punam Gupta
Jul 22, 2015

Here we have to prove that no such number is divisible by 11.

With the given conditions we have infinitely many numbers.

1004070, 407000001 etc.

FOR TEST of DIVISIBILITY by 11:-

Let P and Q be the sum of digits at odd places and even places respectively.

Let D be the difference of P and Q.

The possible values of P and Q are:-

If P = 1+4+7=12 then Q = 0 and D = 12.

If P = 1+4 = 5 then Q = 7 and D = 2.

If P = 1+7 = 8 then. Q =4 , D = 4.

If P = 7+4 = 11 then Q = 1, D = 10.

If P = 1 then Q = 7+4 = 11 , D = 10

If P = 4 then Q = 1+7 = 8.

If P = 7 then Q = 1+4 = 5.

(Note: digits 1, 4 & 7 occur only once in a number).

In each case Since D is not divisible by 11 therefore the number is not divisible by 11.

[Consider 1004070. Here digits at first place, third place, fifth place and seventh place are 0, 0, 0 and 1 resp. Digits at 2nd, 4th and 6th places are 7, 4 and 0 res.]

Thus remainder can not be 0.

7041 gives 1 as remainder and 714 gives 10 as remainder.

Hence Ans = 10-1 = 9.

Afreen Sheikh
Jan 22, 2015

as 407 gives 0 remainder

hence 4071 will give 1 as a remainder

where as 417 gives 10 as a remainder

hence 10-1=9

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