Do we have logarithm inequalities?

Algebra Level 5

Given that log 4 ( x + 2 y ) + log 4 ( x 2 y ) = 1 \log_4(x+2y)+\log_4(x-2y)=1 . The minimum value of x y |x|-|y| can be expressed as a \sqrt{a} where a a is an integer. What is the value of a a ?


The answer is 3.

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Abel Tasman
May 15, 2014

The logarithm can be simplified to obtain x 2 4 y 2 = 4 ( $ \star $ ) x^2-4y^2=4 \tag{\$\star\$} Let x y = k |x|-|y|=k ; thus, ( ) (\star) becomes 3 y 2 2 k y + 4 k 2 = 0 3y^2-2k|y|+4-k^2=0 or in general 3 y 2 ± 2 k y + 4 k 2 = 0 3y^2 \pm 2ky+4-k^2=0 Since x , y R x,y \in \mathbb{R} , it follows that Δ = 4 k 2 12 ( 4 k 2 ) 0 \Delta=4k^2-12(4-k^2) \geq 0 or simply k 2 3 0 k^2-3 \geq 0 Thus, k 3 k \geq \sqrt{3} Which implies that a = 3 \boxed{a=3}

Wow!! I almost forget this tactic.

Sanjeet Raria - 7 years ago
Manuel Kahayon
Apr 23, 2016

First of all, x x certainly cannot be negative, as one of x 2 y x-2y or x + 2 y x+2y will be negative, and negative numbers do not have real logarithms. Also, y y can either be positive or negative. It does not matter, as the absolute value is taken, and if y is negative, i.e. y = k y=-k for some k k , we get the equation log 4 ( x + 2 k ) + log 4 ( x 2 ] k ) = 1 \log_4(x+2k)+\log_4(x-2]k)=1 , which is basically the same with the original equation. So, we can assume without loss of generality that x x and y y are both positive, and we want to minimise x y x-y .

So, we let a = x + 2 y a= x+2y and b = x 2 y b=x-2y . Then we have that l o g 4 ( a b ) = 1 log_4(ab) = 1 , or a b = 4 ab=4 . We then solve for x x and y y in terms of a a and b b .

a + b = ( x + 2 y ) + ( x 2 y ) = 2 x a+b = (x+2y)+(x-2y) = 2x , giving us x = a + b 2 x=\frac{a+b}{2}

a b = ( x + 2 y ) ( x 2 y ) = 4 y a-b = (x+2y)-(x-2y) = 4y , giving us y = a b 4 y=\frac{a-b}{4}

So, x y = a + b 2 a b 4 = a + 3 b 4 x-y = \frac{a+b}{2}-\frac{a-b}{4} = \frac{a+3b}{4}

So, we need to minimise a + 3 b 4 \frac{a+3b}{4} . By AM-GM, we get

a + 3 b 2 3 a b = 12 \frac{a+3b}{2} \geq \sqrt{3ab} = \sqrt{12} (since ab = 4)

So, a + 3 b 2 2 3 \frac{a+3b}{2} \geq 2\sqrt{3} , dividing both sides by 2 gives us

a + 3 b 4 3 \frac{a+3b}{4} \geq \sqrt{3}

So, a = 3 \sqrt{a} = \sqrt{3} , a = 3 a = \boxed{3}

Sanjeet Raria
May 31, 2014

It follows that x, 2 and 2y form sides of right angled triangle where x is the hypotenuse(if we consider only the positive values of x,y). Let @ be the angle between sides x and 2y. Using sine rule,x= 2 cosec@, y=cot@. Now minimum value of x-y= 2cosec@-cot@ can be found by calculus which is when @= 60° i.e. √3

Harikesh Yadav
May 10, 2014

We can also use the hyperbola approach and differentiate to get the min. Value

Saurabh Mallik
May 9, 2014

Firstly we have to solve the logarithmic equation to get the values of x x and y y .

l o g 4 ( x + 2 y ) + l o g 4 ( x 2 y ) = 1 log_{4}(x+2y)+log_{4}(x-2y)=1

l o g 4 ( x + 2 y ) ( x 2 y ) = l o g 4 4 log_{4}(x+2y)(x-2y)=log_{4}4

l o g 4 ( x 2 4 y 2 ) = l o g 4 4 log_{4}(x^{2}-4y^{2})=log_{4}4

l o g 4 ( x 2 4 y 2 ) 4 = 0 log_{4}\frac{(x^{2}-4y^{2})}{4}=0

So, x 2 4 y 2 4 = 0 \frac{x^{2}-4y^{2}}{4}=0

x 2 4 y 2 = 0 \frac{x^{2}}{4}-y^{2}=0

x 2 4 = y 2 \frac{x^{2}}{4}=y^{2}

x 2 = 4 y 2 x^{2}=4y^{2}

x = 2 y x=2y

Now, x y = 2 y ( y ) |x|-|y|=|2y|-(-y)

2 y + y = 3 y 2y+y=3y

So the difference between the values of x x and y y is the square root of 3 3 where 3 3 is an integer.

So, a = 3 \sqrt{a}=\sqrt{3}

Therefore, a = 3 a=3

So, the answer is: a = 3 a=\boxed{3}

The solution is flawed.

l o g b ( a ) = 0 log_b(a)=0

implies that,

a = b 0 = 1 a=b^{0}=1 and not a = 0 a=0 as you have done in your solution.

Shaan Vaidya - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I think there is a mistake in line 10, That 4y should be changed to 2y since 4 y 2 = ( 2 y ) 2 4y^2=(2y)^2 ...

敬全 钟 - 7 years, 1 month ago

There is a problem with line 5 5 .

If log 4 ( x 2 4 y 2 ) 4 = 0 \log_4\frac{(x^{2}-4y^{2})}{4}=0 , ( x 2 4 y 2 ) 4 = 1 \frac{(x^{2}-4y^{2})}{4}=\boxed{1} , not 0 0

We can also use the hyperbola approach and differentiate to get the min. Value

Shubham Kumar - 7 years, 1 month ago

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