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Algebra Level 2

In a certain arithmetic progression , the following holds:

S 1729 = S 28 , S_{1729}=S_{28},

where S n S_n denotes the sum of the first n n terms. What is the 87 9 th 879^{\text{th}} term of this arithmetic progression?


I made this problem while I was pondering over my friend Sandeep Bhardwaj's problem.


The answer is 0.

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8 solutions

Ayush Verma
Oct 10, 2014

S p = S q p 2 { 2 a + ( p 1 ) d } = q 2 { 2 a + ( q 1 ) d } ( p q ) a + 1 2 ( p 2 q 2 p + q ) d = 0 a + p + q 1 2 d = 0 a + ( p + q + 1 2 1 ) d = 0 T p + q + 1 2 = 0 ( O n l y i f p + q + 1 2 I + ) { S }_{ p }={ S }_{ q }\quad \Rightarrow \cfrac { p }{ 2 } \left\{ 2a+(p-1)d \right\} =\cfrac { q }{ 2 } \left\{ 2a+(q-1)d \right\} \\ \\ \Rightarrow (p-q)a+\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } ({ p }^{ 2 }-{ q }^{ 2 }-p+q)d=0\\ \\ \Rightarrow a+\cfrac { p+q-1 }{ 2 } d=0\quad \\ \\ \Rightarrow a+(\cfrac { p+q+1 }{ 2 } -1)d=0\\ \\ \Rightarrow { T }_{ \cfrac { p+q+1 }{ 2 } }=0\quad (Only\quad if\quad \cfrac { p+q+1 }{ 2 } \in { I }^{ + })

Good proof

Aayush Patni - 6 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for proving it! P.S. You Missed 'd' in the Second Step!

Hem Shailabh Sahu - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks,edited.

Ayush Verma - 6 years, 1 month ago

Nice Proof...

Prokash Shakkhar - 4 years, 5 months ago

S 1729 = S 28 1729 ( 2 a + 1728 d ) 2 = 28 ( 2 a + 27 d ) 2 S_{1729} = S_{28}\quad \Rightarrow \dfrac {1729(2a+1728d)}{2} = \dfrac {28(2a+27d)}{2}

1729 ( 2 a + 1728 d ) = 28 ( 2 a + 27 d ) \Rightarrow 1729(2a+1728d) = 28(2a+27d)

2 a ( 1729 28 ) = [ 28 ( 27 ) 1729 ( 1728 ) ] d \Rightarrow 2a(1729-28) = [28(27)-1729(1728)]d

3402 a = 2986956 d a = 878 d \Rightarrow 3402a =-2986956d \quad \Rightarrow a = -878d

Now, the 87 9 t h 879^{th} term a 879 = a + 878 d = 878 d + 878 d = 0 a_{879} = a + 878d = -878d+878d = \boxed{0}

Same way!!

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago
Sanjeet Raria
Oct 10, 2014

Geometrical Approach

Again if in an AP if S p = S q S_p=S_q for q > p q>p then a p + q + 1 2 = 0 \Large a_{\frac{p+q+1}{2}}=0 (This is valid only when p + q + 1 2 \frac{p+q+1}{2} is an integer).

You can simply visualize this using the graph of the AP. The AP line whether it has positive slope or the negative, will make two congruent triangle one above & the other below between n 1 = p + 1 \large n_1=p+1 & n 2 = q \large n_2=q around n 0 = p + q + 1 2 \large n_0=\frac{p+q+1}{2} , therby meeting the horizontal axis at n 0 n_0 in both the cases.

Hence a 1729 + 28 + 1 2 = a 879 = 0 \huge a_{\frac{1729+28+1}{2}}=a_{879}=0

That was a really nice method,, any one can solve this using algebra,,, but your methods much more beautiful and simple

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks for noticing that. I appreciate your wisdom

Sanjeet Raria - 6 years, 7 months ago

I am writing for the long, basic expandded method for begginers. Let the AP be a, a+d, a+2d etc. so, 28/2[2a+(27)d] = 1729/2[2a+(1728)d] After expanding, we get: 56a = 756d = 3458a + 2987712d . (Trust me, if you have no other plan , do this, because 1728*1729 would be a very very tedious process) After simplifications, we get: 3402a + 2896956d = 0. (Dividing throughout by 3402, we get) a + 878d = 0 So, 879th term is 0.

Instead of multiplying i assumed the result because it could not be anything else. I hope i am right

Satvik Choudhary - 6 years, 2 months ago
Oon Han
Nov 30, 2017

An arithmetic progression is either increasing by a constant, decreasing by a constant, or always a constant. If the progression is increasing, then the sum should be increasing, thus the sum of the first 1729 terms can't be equal to the sum of the first 28. Likewise, if the progression is decreasing, then the sum should be decreasing, thus the sum of the first 1729 terms can't be equal to the sum of the first 28 too! So the progression is constant. But if the sum of the 1729 terms is equal to the sum of the 28 terms, there are three cases: (1) If the initial value is positive, then the sum should be increasing. (2) If the initial value is negative, then the sum should be decreasing. (3) If the initial value is 0, then the sum should be constant. Thus, the sequence is 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, ... or the nth term is always 0. The 879th term is 0. Q.E.D

Utkarsh Sharma
Jul 21, 2017

For the given equation to be true the sum of terms after 28th term has to be zero. i.e 29th to 1729th term....total 1701 terms. If the sum of an odd no. of terms of an AP are zero, then the middle term has to be zero. therefore, starting from 29th term, the middle term is 851th term. Starting from 1st term, it is 851+28 = 879th term = 0

Cleres Cupertino
Aug 6, 2015

What Sandeep Bhardwaj told us in his solution, actually, for any AP is that

S n + k = ( n + k n k ) ( S n S k ) n > k \large S_{n+k}=\left(\frac{n+k}{n-k}\right)\left({ S}_{n}-{S}_{k}\right) \quad \quad n>k

Let´s take a look another fact,

S 2 m 1 = ( 2 m 1 ) a m \large S_{2m-1}=(2m-1)a_m

For n = 1729 n=1729 , k = 28 k=28 and m = 879 m=879

a 879 = 0 \Large a_{879}=0

Rahul Kharbanda
Jun 9, 2015

take all terms========0

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