Do you play dice games?

Independent trials, consisting of rolling a pair of fair dice, are performed.

What is the probability that an outcome of 5 appears before an outcome of 7?

Here, outcome of a roll is the sum of the numbers on the dices.

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The answer is 0.4.

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2 solutions

The probability of an outcome of 5 5 is 1 9 \frac{1}{9} , and the probability of an outcome of 7 7 is 1 6 \frac{1}{6} . Thus the probability of an outcome other than 5 5 or 7 7 is

1 ( 1 9 + 1 6 ) = 13 18 1 - (\frac{1}{9} + \frac{1}{6}) = \frac{13}{18} .

We now need to calculate the sum of the probabilities of getting an outcome other than 5 5 or 7 7 for k k throws and then throwing a 5 5 on the ( k + 1 ) (k + 1) st throw, where k k goes from 0 0 to \infty . This sum will be

1 9 + ( 13 18 ) ( 1 9 ) + ( 13 18 ) 2 ( 1 9 ) + . . . . . = \frac{1}{9} + (\frac{13}{18})(\frac{1}{9}) + (\frac{13}{18})^{2}(\frac{1}{9}) + ..... =

( 1 9 ) k = 0 ( 13 18 ) k = (\frac{1}{9}) * \sum_{k=0}^\infty (\frac{13}{18})^{k} =

( 1 9 ) 1 1 13 18 = ( 1 9 ) ( 18 5 ) = 2 5 = 0.4 (\frac{1}{9}) * \dfrac{1}{1 - \frac{13}{18}} = (\frac{1}{9})(\frac{18}{5}) = \frac{2}{5} = \boxed{0.4} .

Alternately, we could use conditional probabilities. Someone else would roll the dice repeatedly until they get an outcome of either 5 5 or 7 7 . They would inform us of this event, without telling us which outcome occurred. We would then ask ourselves, "Given that an outcome of 5 5 or 7 7 has occurred, what is the probability that it is a 5 5 ?"

We would then use Baye's Theorem to find that

P(outcome of 5 5 | a 5 5 or 7 7 has been rolled) =

P ( 5 ) P ( 5 ) + P ( 7 ) = 1 9 1 9 + 1 6 = 1 9 5 18 = 2 5 = 0.4 \dfrac{P(5)}{P(5) + P(7)} = \dfrac{\frac{1}{9}}{\frac{1}{9} + \frac{1}{6}} = \dfrac{\frac{1}{9}}{\frac{5}{18}} = \dfrac{2}{5} = 0.4 , as found before.

well according to me answer should be no. hehe just a joke ;)

neelesh vij - 5 years, 4 months ago
Bill Bell
Jan 21, 2015

Not that it's practical, you can also model this as a Markov chain.

The transition probabilities for this chain are given by the following matrix:

We can take the infinite power of this matrix and then extract the third element in the first row, corresponding to the 'absorption' following the appearance of a five. It's 0.4.

I would never trust myself to do it this way! Or at least not without checking the result with some form of Monte Carlo code like this:

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