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Algebra Level 3

In a given sequence with 6 6 terms, every term after the second is the sum of the previous two terms. Given the last term is 4 4 times the first, and that the sum of all terms is 13 13 , which is the second term?

P.S: this problem is not original

1 1 1 / 4 1/4 1 / 2 1/2 1 / 3 1/3

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Assume the first two terms to be x x and y y respectively. Then, we can construct the six member series as:

x , y , x + y , x + 2 y , 2 x + 3 y , 3 x + 5 y x,y,x+y,x+2y,2x+3y,3x+5y

It's given that the last term is 4 4 times the first, hence it follows that:

3 x + 5 y = 4 x 5 y = x 3x+5y=4x \Rightarrow 5y=x ............................................. ( 1 ) (1)

Also, sum of all terms is 13 13 , hence:

8 x + 12 y = 13 8x+12y=13 ........................................... ( 2 ) (2)

Solving ( 1 ) (1) and ( 2 ) (2) , we get:

x = 5 / 4 x=5/4 and y = 1 / 4 y=1/4

Hence the second term is 1 / 4 \boxed{1/4}

Yes, I corrected the error. Sorry about it!

Shreya R - 6 years, 4 months ago

The questions says - find the second term not the first term!!

jaiveer shekhawat - 6 years, 4 months ago

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It initially said- "find the first term" ! Now the error has been corrected.

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Oh!!... then i take my words back!!

jaiveer shekhawat - 6 years, 4 months ago

This is great. My answer is also 1/4. Same solution of Raghav Vaidyanathan

John Aries Sarza - 6 years, 4 months ago

I also did it exactly the same way but was wondering how to approach the problem if there were many terms (say 100 instead of 6).

Divij Handa - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Look at the solution of @Curtis Clement and notice the fibonacci sequence generated in the coefficients. Also remember that a general term for the fibonacci series can be generated

hamlet sentit - 6 years, 3 months ago
Chaitanya Lodha
Jan 26, 2015

let first no. be "x"

let second no. be "y"

the sequence would be:

(x)+(y)+(x+y)+(x+2y)+(2x+3y)+(3x+5y)=13

8x+12y=13 ......(i)

Also,

4x=3x+5y

x=5y .....(ii)

by substituting (ii) in (i)

8(5y)+12y=13

40y+12y=13

52y=13

y=1/4

Curtis Clement
Jan 23, 2015

Using the recurrence relation: F 6 F_{6} = F 5 F_{5} + F 4 F_{4} = 2 F 4 F_{4} + F 3 F_{3} =...= 5 F 2 F_{2} + 3 F 1 F_{1} . Now we can see that the coefficients of F 2 F_{2} and F 1 F_{1} are the 5th and 4th terms of the Fibonacci sequence (respectively). Using this fact produces: F 5 F_{5} = 3 F 2 F_{2} + 2 F 1 F_{1} , F 4 F_{4} = 2 F 2 F_{2} + F 1 F_{1} , F 3 F_{3} = F 2 F_{2} + F 1 F_{1} . Now summing these terms together with F 2 F_{2} and F 1 F_{1} , gives: 12 F 2 F_{2} + 8 F 1 F_{1} = 13 (#1). Now using the recurrence relation with [ F 6 F_{6} = 4 F 1 F_{1} ] \rightarrow F 6 F_{6} + F 5 F_{5} + ... + F 1 F_{1} = ( F 5 F_{5} + F 4 F_{4} + F 3 F_{3} + F 2 F_{2} + 5 F 1 F_{1} ) = ( F 6 F_{6} + F 3 F_{3} + F 2 F_{2} + 5 F 1 F_{1} ) = ( F 3 F_{3} + F 2 F_{2} + 9 F 1 F_{1} ). Using F 1 F_{1} = F 3 F_{3} - F 2 F_{2} and - F 2 F_{2} = F 3 F_{3} - F 4 F_{4} \rightarrow 13 = F 4 F_{4} +[ F 3 F_{3} - F 2 F_{2} ] + 8 F 1 F_{1} = [ F 4 F_{4} + F 3 F_{3} ] + [ F 3 F_{3} - F 4 F_{4} ] + 8 F 1 F_{1} = 2 F 3 F_{3} + 8 F 1 F_{1} = 2 F 2 F_{2} +10 F 1 F_{1} \Rightarrow F 2 F_{2} + 5 F 1 F_{1} = 13 2 \frac{13}{2} (#2). Now let x {x} = F 2 F_{2} and F 1 F_{1} = y {y} , such that (from #1 and #2): 3 x {x} + 2 y {y} = 13 4 \frac{13}{4} and x {x} + 5 y {y} = 13 2 \frac{13}{2} . This solves to give: x {x} = 1 4 \boxed{\frac{1}{4}} and y {y} = 5 4 \frac{5}{4} .

Alvin Willio
Jan 23, 2015
  • Assume that the first and second term is a and b, so we get

a, b, a+b, a+2b, 2a+3b, 3a+5b

  • The last term is 4 times the first, means that

3a+5b=4a or a=5b

  • the sum of all terms is 13

a+b+(a+b)+(a+2b)+(2a+3b)+(3a+5b)=13

8a+12b=13

8(5b)+12b=13

52b=13

b=1/4

  • Assuming the first two terms to be x and y , respectively, we have the six sequence terms are:
    I : {x II: {y II: {x + y IV: {x + 2y V: {2x + 3y VI: {3x + 5y .
  • Now, we have this system of equations: {3x + 5y = 4x {8x + 12y = 13
  • Developing the first equation, we find x = 5 y x = 5y .
  • Replacing it in the second equation, we'll have:
    40 y + 12 y = 13 = > 52 y = 13 40y + 12y = 13 => 52y = 13
  • Concluding, we have that the second term, (which is fortunatly y) as y = 1 4 y = \frac{1}{4}

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