Try To Solve This Problem Without Expanding

Algebra Level 3

If the expansion of ( 2 x 3 3 x 2 + 6 x + 11 ) ( 5 x 2 9 x + 1 ) (2x^3-3x^2+6x+11)(5x^2 - 9x+1) is a x 5 + b x 4 + c x 3 + d x 2 + e x + f ax^5+bx^4+cx^3+dx^2+ex+f for integers a , b , c , d , e , f a,b,c,d,e,f . What is the value of 211 a + 65 b + 19 c + 5 d + e + f 211a+65b+19c+5d+e+f ?


The answer is 994.

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14 solutions

Pi Han Goh
Dec 24, 2013

Because 211 = 3 5 2 5 , 65 = 3 4 2 4 , 19 = 3 3 2 3 , 5 = 3 2 2 2 , e = 3 1 2 1 211 = 3^5 - 2^5, 65 = 3^4-2^4, 19 = 3^3- 2^3, 5 = 3^2-2^2,e = 3^1-2^1

We consider finding values of f ( 2 ) f(2) and f ( 3 ) f(3) for f ( x ) = ( 2 x 3 3 x 2 + 6 x + 11 ) ( 5 x 2 9 x + 1 ) f(x) = (2x^3 - 3x^2 + 6x + 11)(5x^2 - 9x + 1)

f ( 2 ) = ( ( 2 ( 3 3 ) 3 ( 3 2 ) + 6 ( 3 ) + 11 ) ( 5 ( 3 2 ) 9 ( 3 ) + 1 ) ) = 81 f(2) = \left ( (2(3^3) - 3(3^2) + 6(3) + 11)(5(3^2)-9(3)+1)\right ) = 81

f ( 2 ) = ( ( 2 ( 3 3 ) 3 ( 3 2 ) + 6 ( 3 ) + 11 ) ( 5 ( 3 2 ) 9 ( 3 ) + 1 ) ) = 1064 f(2) = \left ( (2(3^3) - 3(3^2) + 6(3) + 11)(5(3^2)-9(3)+1)\right ) = 1064

So the expression equals to f ( 3 ) f ( 2 ) + f = 1064 81 + 11 = 994 f(3) - f(2) + f = 1064 - 81 + 11 = \boxed{994}

A small typo...is should be f(3)... ;) ...Nice solution btw......

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 5 months ago

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f there denotes the constant f, sir.

Priyansh Saxena - 7 years, 5 months ago

NIce solution. Never thought I could approach it this way. I checked the coefficients (without expanding completely, of course) and it took me about a minute to arrive at the answer, This is cool stuff

Sirisha Avvari - 7 years, 5 months ago

Good.

Soham Dibyachintan - 7 years, 5 months ago

can you even better explain me, i still have doubts, how u came to that logic. my doubt is in the above problem you have to multiply coefficients ie abcdef with 211,65,19,5,1,1. and how can you get to the answer just by substituting the differences and i.e f(3)-f(2). i couldn't get your logic

Bijju Tarun - 7 years, 4 months ago

Great!

Abe Vallerian - 7 years, 5 months ago

nice

Imran Ali - 7 years, 5 months ago

BUT e != 3 - 2

Nikhil Tyagi - 7 years, 5 months ago

brilliant sir !

Priyansh Saxena - 7 years, 5 months ago

nice trick

Piyush Agrawal - 7 years, 5 months ago

really awesom!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soubhik Paul - 7 years, 5 months ago

Excellent

Nagabhushan S N - 7 years, 5 months ago

Nice observation

Abhinav Sharan - 7 years, 5 months ago

Great obsrvation

Satyam Choudhary - 7 years, 5 months ago

genius

Ashtik Mahapatra - 7 years, 5 months ago

A new variety question it's great to think this alternative way.

aneela ammulu - 7 years, 4 months ago

awesome ...

math man - 6 years, 10 months ago
Daniel Chiu
Dec 24, 2013

Note that 211 = 3 5 2 5 211=3^5-2^5 , 65 = 3 4 2 4 65=3^4-2^4 , 19 = 3 3 2 3 19=3^3-2^3 , 5 = 3 2 2 2 5=3^2-2^2 , and 1 = 3 2 1=3-2 . Thus, if f ( x ) f(x) is the function given, the value we are looking for is f ( 3 ) f ( 2 ) + f f(3)-f(2)+f . We can calculate that f ( 3 ) = 1064 f(3)=1064 , f ( 2 ) = 81 f(2)=81 , and f f is the constant term, which is 11 1 = 11 11\cdot 1=11 . Then, the answer is 1064 81 + 11 = 994 1064-81+11=\boxed{994} .

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Eddie The Head - 7 years, 5 months ago

nothing brilliant then this one. exquisite observation

Aman Bhardwaj - 7 years, 5 months ago

Excellent

Nagabhushan S N - 7 years, 5 months ago

its ok .....dnt be so happy

Subhash Bishnoi - 7 years, 4 months ago
Prasun Biswas
Dec 27, 2013

Just expand the expression and you get the expression as 10 x 5 33 x 4 + 59 x 3 2 x 2 93 x + 11 10x^{5}-33x^{4}+59x^{3}-2x^{2}-93x+11

Comparing this with a x 5 + b x 4 + c x 3 + d x 2 + e x + f ax^{5}+bx^{4}+cx^{3}+dx^{2}+ex+f , we get the values as a = 10 , b = ( 33 ) , c = 59 , d = ( 2 ) , e = ( 93 ) a n d f = 11 a=10, b=(-33), c=59, d=(-2), e=(-93) and f=11

211 a + 65 b + 19 c + 5 d + e + f 211a+65b+19c+5d+e+f = ( 211 × 10 ) + ( 65 × ( 33 ) ) + ( 19 × 59 ) + ( 5 × ( 2 ) ) 93 + 11 = (211\times 10) + (65\times (-33))+(19\times 59)+(5\times (-2))-93+11 = 2110 2145 + 1121 10 93 + 11 = 994 = 2110-2145+1121-10-93+11 = \boxed{994}

try to solve it without expanding!

alisha parveen - 7 years, 5 months ago

simple & good

naidu prase - 7 years, 4 months ago
Romeo Gomez
Dec 26, 2013

Doing the expansion ( 2 x 3 3 x 2 + 6 x + 11 ) ( 5 x 2 9 x + 1 ) = 10 x 5 33 x 4 + 59 x 3 2 x 2 93 x + 11 , (2x^3 -3x^2+6x+11)(5x^2 - 9x+1)=10x^5-33x^4+59x^3-2x^2-93x+11, so a = 10 b = 33 c = 59 d = 2 e = 93 f = 11. a=10\\b=-33\\c=59\\d=-2\\e=-93\\f=11. Thus 211 a + 65 b + 19 c + 5 d + e + f = 211 ( 10 ) + 65 ( 33 ) + 19 ( 59 ) + 5 ( 2 ) + ( 93 ) + 11 = 994 211a+65b+19c+5d+e+f=\\211(10)+65(-33)+19(59)+5(-2)+(-93)+11=\\\boxed{994}

we have to do without expanding idiot.....

Kavyansh Chourasia - 7 years, 4 months ago

La idea del problema era hacerlo sin expandir

José Marín Guzmán - 7 years, 5 months ago
  1. To get the term with x 5 x^5 as variables, we can only multiply 2 x 3 2x^3 and 5 x 2 5x^2 . Hence 10 is the coefficient of x 5 x^5 . Or shortly we say a = 10 a=10
  2. We can make a multiplication match to get the term with x 4 x^4 , i.e: 2 x 3 2x^3 and 9 x -9x , and 3 x 2 -3x^2 and 5 x 2 5x^2 are two matches I mean. Adding the coefficient of both matches gives us the coefficient of x 4 x^4 , b = 33 b=-33 .
  3. x 3 x^3 has varier possibilities of matches: 2 x 3 2x^3 with 1 1 , 3 x 2 -3x^2 with 9 x -9x , and 6 x 6x with 5 x 2 5x^2 . Analogous to point (1) and (2), we get c = 59 c=59
  4. Matching 3 x 2 -3x^2 with 1 1 , 6 x 6x with 9 x -9x , and 11 11 with x 2 x^2 gives us d = 2 d=-2
  5. Since we've understand the logic, we can say directly e = 93 e=-93
  6. The last, f = 11 f=11
  7. Simply, 211 × 10 + 65 × ( 33 ) + 19 × 59 + 5 × ( 2 ) + ( 93 ) + 11 = 2110 2145 + 1121 10 93 + 11 = 994 211\times10+65\times(-33)+19\times59+5\times(-2)+(-93)+11=2110-2145+1121-10-93+11=\boxed {994}
Dennis Gulko
Dec 26, 2013

Denote g ( x ) = ( 2 x 3 3 x 2 + 6 x + 11 ) ( 5 x 2 9 x + 1 ) = a x 5 + b x 4 + c x 3 + d x 2 + e x + f g(x)=(2x^3-3x^2+6x+11)(5x^2-9x+1)=ax^5+bx^4+cx^3+dx^2+ex+f and let α = 211 a + 65 b + 19 c + 5 d + e + f \alpha=211a+65b+19c+5d+e+f Then g ( 3 ) α = 32 a + 16 b + 8 c + 4 d + 2 e = g ( 2 ) f = g ( 2 ) g ( 0 ) g(3)-\alpha=32a+16b+8c+4d+2e=g(2)-f=g(2)-g(0) So α = g ( 3 ) g ( 2 ) + g ( 0 ) = 1064 81 + 11 = 994 \alpha=g(3)-g(2)+g(0)=1064-81+11=994

Bharat Karmarkar
Dec 26, 2013

Its just simple and straight. See how many terms will have x^4 and add the coefficients to get b and so on and finally calculate the required quantity.

I don't really know how to write long division in my solution. If anyone could help me, great. Well, I performed long division with the polynomial 10 x 5 + b x 4 + c x 3 + d x 2 + e x + f 10x^{5} + bx^{4} + cx^{3} + dx^{2} + ex + f . I divided it by 2 x 3 3 x 2 + 6 x + 11 2x^{3} - 3x^{2} + 6x + 11 , putting first as the result the polynomial 5 x 2 9 x + 1 5x^{2} - 9x + 1 . By this way, I found b b , c c and d d ( a a , e e and f f are very clear). I was able to form the following equations:

( 15 + b ) x 4 + 18 x 4 = 0 b = 33 (15 + b)x^{4} + 18x^{4} = 0 \rightarrow b = -33 .

( c 57 ) x 3 2 x 3 = 0 c = 59 (c - 57)x^{3} - 2x^{3} = 0 \rightarrow c = 59 .

( d + 2 ) x 2 + 0 x 2 = 0 d = 2 (d + 2)x^{2} + 0x^{2} = 0 \rightarrow d = -2 .

Clearly, and without necessity of expansion, we can see that a = 10 a = 10 , e = 93 e = -93 and f = 11 f = 11 . So substituting values on the expression gives the answer 994 \boxed {994} .

Minh Bùi
Jan 22, 2014

(2x^3-3x^2+6x+11)(5x^2-9x+11)=10x^5-33x^4+59x^3-2x^2-93x+11 =>a=10;b=-33;c=59;d=-2;e=-93;f=11 =>211a+65b+19c+5d+e+f=994

Govind Kalaga
Jan 17, 2014

Multiply the two terms and compare the coefficients with the given equation. Then you get a=10, b=-33, c= 59 d= -2 e= -93 and f = 11 Substitute these values in the given equation you get the result 994

Sandeep Sharma
Jan 16, 2014

994

Saba Saif
Dec 26, 2013

by multiplying the given expression then cmparing coefficients ,we have a=10 b= -33 c=59 d= -2 e= -93 f=11 putting these values in given expression ,we have 211a+65b+19c+5d+e+f=994

Aryan C.
Dec 26, 2013

By expanding it you get the values of a,b,c,d,e, and f as 10,-33,59,-2,-93 and 11 respectively. Put these values in the given expression and you get the answer as 994.

Budi Utomo
Dec 25, 2013

The expansion above can change into 10x^5 - 33x^4 + 59x^3 -2x^2 -93x + 11. That, a= 10, b=-33, c=59, d=-2, e=-93, f=11. So, 211a + 65b + 19c + 5d + e + f = 211.10 + (-33)65 + 19.59 + (-2)5 + (-93) + 11 = 994. ANSWER : \box_994

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