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Geometry Level 2

Suppose A B C D ABCD is an isosceles trapezoid with bases A B AB and C D CD and sides A D AD and B C BC such that C D > A B . |CD| \gt |AB|. Also suppose that C D = A C |CD| = |AC| and that the altitude of the trapezoid is equal to A B . |AB|.

If A B C D = a b , \dfrac{|AB|}{|CD|} = \dfrac{a}{b}, where a a and b b are positive coprime integers, then find a b . \large a^{b}.


The answer is 243.

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Construct a Line Perpendicular to CD through A and let the point where that line and CD intersect be E. Similarly do the same through B and let the point be F. Let A B = x , D E = y . AB=x, DE=y. By the fact that this trapezoid is isoceles DE is equal to FC. Thus we have A B = x , D E = y , E C = x + y , D C = x + 2 y AB=x, DE=y, EC=x+y, DC=x+2y It is stated that CD is equal to AC and since AE is perpendicular to CD we can set up the pythagorean theorem. A E 2 + E C 2 = A C 2 AE^{2}+EC^{2}=AC^{2} x 2 + ( x + y ) 2 = ( x + 2 y ) 2 x^2+(x+y)^2=(x+2y)^2 x 2 + x 2 + 2 x y + y 2 = x 2 + 4 x y + 4 y 2 x^2+x^2+2xy+y^2=x^2+4xy+4y^2 Solving this equation: x 2 2 x y 3 y 2 = 0 x^2-2xy-3y^2=0 ( x 3 y ) ( x + y ) = 0 (x-3y)(x+y)=0 x = 3 y , x = y x=3y, x=-y Negative values are extraneous so we have x=3y, AB=3y, and CD=5y. Thus the ratio of 3:5. And the soultion of 243.

Literally the exact same way I did this. If that's not ESP(N) I don't know what is, Timmy ...

John Gilling - 6 years ago

great solution, as i read it the problem didnt seem to be so hard anymore :)

Elias Lageder - 4 years, 6 months ago

I approached the same way but i am getting AB / CD = 2/3 giving 8.

The working is as follows : Ab = a Cd = c Let c = a + x A^2 + [[a +x/2]^2= [a+x]^2 [since this is an isosceles trapezoid] A^2 + a^2 + ax + x^2/4 = a^2 + 2ax + x^2 A^2 + ax + x^2/4 = 2ax + x^2 A^2 = ax + 3x^2/4 Therefore, 3x^2/4 + ax - a^2 = 0, which is a quadratic in x with roots -a +/- sqrt[a^2+4a^2*3/4]
= [-a + 2a]/2 X = a/2 AB / CD = a/[a+a/2] = a/[3a/2] = 2/3, giving 8

Sundar R - 4 years ago

Best explained solution so far...awesome!

Armaan Agrawal - 2 years, 4 months ago

Amazing solution. Simple, sweet and elegant!

Archana Bhisikar - 1 year, 7 months ago

Let n=AB= AE and 2m+n=CD=AC. See figure. By Pythagoras A D = m 2 + n 2 , h a l f t h e i s o s c e l e s b a s e = m 2 + n 2 2 . I n r t d s A D E a n d C D F , m m 2 + n 2 = C o s α = m 2 + n 2 2 2 m + n \text{Let n=AB= AE and 2m+n=CD=AC. See figure.}\\ \text{ By Pythagoras }AD=\sqrt{m^2+n^2}, half ~the ~isosceles~ base =\frac{ \sqrt{m^2+n^2} }{2}. \\In~ ~rt \angle d~ \triangle s ~ADE~ and~ CDF, ~~~~~~~ \dfrac{m}{ \sqrt{m^2+n^2} }=Cos \alpha = \dfrac{ \frac{ \sqrt{m^2+n^2} } {2} } {2m+n}\\ 4 m 2 + 2 m n = m 2 + n 2 S o l v i n g q u a d r a t i c 3 m 2 + 2 m n n 2 = 0 , m = n 3 . n = 3 m . A B C D = n 2 m + n = 3 m 2 m + 3 m = 3 5 = a b a b = 3 5 = 243 ~~\implies 4m^2+2mn=m^2+n^2\\Solving ~quadratic~3m^2+2mn-n^2=0,~~m=\dfrac n 3 .~~ \therefore n=3m. \\ \dfrac{AB}{CD}= \dfrac{n}{2m+n}=\dfrac{3m}{2m+3m} =\dfrac 3 5 =\dfrac a b \implies a^b=3^5 = \color{#D61F06}{ \large \boxed{243} }

Nice solution. I like how the three solutions posted so far each have their own twist. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Thank you. Since I am not familiar with higher maths I solve from the basic maths.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 1 month ago

i too did the same way...its probably the most simplest method applicable of all

Arnav Das - 6 years, 1 month ago
Karan Shekhawat
Apr 25, 2015

Awesome Problem , I found very interesting Properties in this question ..

Okay , First Take advantage of fact given in question , Let A B = a AB=a & C D = b CD=b ,

Now Key is to Switch to co-ordinate geometry .. Let us choose sutaible co-ordinates for above stated conditions , D ( 0 , 0 ) & C ( b , 0 ) & A ( c , a ) & B ( c + a , a ) D(0,0)\& C(b,0)\& \\ A(c,a)\& B(c+a,a) .

Note : I will repetedly use distance formula and square it in both sides

( i ) A C = C D ( c b ) 2 + a 2 = b 2 c 2 + a 2 = 2 b c ( i i ) A D = B C ( I s o s c l a c e t r a p . ) c 2 + a 2 = ( c + a b ) 2 + ( a ) 2 0 = 2 a c + ( a 2 + b 2 2 a b ) 2 b c ( b a ) 2 = 2 c ( b a ) ( b a ) b + a = 2 c \displaystyle{(i)\quad \because AC=CD\\ { (c-b) }^{ 2 }+{ a }^{ 2 }={ b }^{ 2 }\\ \boxed { { c }^{ 2 }+{ a }^{ 2 }=2bc } \\ (ii)\quad \because AD=BC(\because Isosclace\quad trap.)\\ { c }^{ 2 }+{ a }^{ 2 }={ (c+a-b) }^{ 2 }+{ (a) }^{ 2 }\\ 0=2ac+({ a }^{ 2 }+{ b }^{ 2 }-2ab)-2bc\\ { (b-a) }^{ 2 }=2c(b-a)\quad \quad (\because b\neq a)\\ \boxed { b+a=2c } }

Now isn't it is beuatiful that a , c , b a,c,b are in AP (Airthmetic Progression) ?

Now from above two conditions (on which i had putted Box) Put value of C from 2nd Box in to 1st box , and then we devide by b 2 b^2 to make quadaratic in a / b a/b ..

c 2 + a 2 = 2 b c ( a + b ) 2 4 + a 2 = ( b + a ) b 5 a 2 + 2 a b 3 b 2 = 0 a b = λ ( L e t ) 5 λ 2 + 2 λ 3 = 0 λ = 3 5 , 1 ( × ) a b = 3 5 \displaystyle{\because { c }^{ 2 }+{ a }^{ 2 }=2bc\\ \cfrac { { (a+b) }^{ 2 } }{ 4 } +{ a }^{ 2 }=(b+a)b\\ 5{ a }^{ 2 }+2ab-3{ b }^{ 2 }=0\\ \cfrac { a }{ b } =\lambda \quad (Let)\\ 5{ \lambda }^{ 2 }+2\lambda -3=0\\ \lambda =\cfrac { 3 }{ 5 } ,-1(\times )\\ \boxed { \cfrac { a }{ b } =\cfrac { 3 }{ 5 } } }

@Brian Charlesworth , Isn't it is beautiful , that a , c , b a,c,b are in AP . ?

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I think that you'll find that the equation in the second box should be b a = 2 c , b - a = 2c, (which will mean that a , c , b a,c,b are not in A.P.). You end up getting the same equation in λ \lambda in the end, however.

Since we end up with b = 5 3 a b = \frac{5}{3}a and c = 1 3 a c = \frac{1}{3}a I think that c , a , b c,a,b are in A.P., though, which is indeed a beautiful result.

P.S., Nice solution method. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago

Without loss of generality let C D = 1. |CD| = 1. Now let P P be the point on C D CD that is the base of the altitude to vertex A . A. Letting A B = r , |AB| = r, we have that

D P = 1 2 ( 1 r ) P C = D C D P = 1 1 2 ( 1 r ) = 1 2 ( 1 + r ) . |DP| = \frac{1}{2}(1 - r) \Longrightarrow |PC| = |DC| - |DP| = 1 - \frac{1}{2}(1 - r) = \frac{1}{2}(1 + r).

Applying Pythagoras to Δ A P C , \Delta APC, we find that

A C 2 = A P 2 + P C 2 1 = r 2 + 1 4 ( 1 + r ) 2 |AC|^{2} = |AP|^{2} + |PC|^{2} \Longrightarrow 1 = r^{2} + \frac{1}{4}(1 + r)^{2}

4 = 4 r 2 + 1 + 2 r + r 2 5 r 2 + 2 r 3 = 0 ( 5 r 3 ) ( r + 1 ) = 0. \Longrightarrow 4 = 4r^{2} + 1 + 2r + r^{2} \Longrightarrow 5r^{2} + 2r - 3 = 0 \Longrightarrow (5r - 3)(r + 1) = 0.

Since r > 0 r \gt 0 we find that r = A B = 3 5 . r = |AB| = \frac{3}{5}. But with C D = 1 , |CD| = 1, r r is the ratio we are wanting to find, and thus a b = 3 5 = 243 . \large a^{b} = 3^{5} = \boxed{243}.

Can you confirm that the image I added is correct?

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Looks great. C D CD and A C AC don't look to have the same length in the diagram, but once people read the text of the question that won't be an issue. Thank you. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago

According to the convention that I was taught, the vertices must be named in a clockwise or counterclockwise fashion. I think that you placed C under (or over) A and D under (or over) B. The convention was taught in my school a few years ago and I don't know if it has changed now or if it was wrong from the beginning, but that caused my calculations to go wrong.

vishnu c - 6 years, 1 month ago

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So in the end, what I got was your quadratic equation, but with -2ab instead of +2ab. I think you ought to add a picture to make your question more understandable.

vishnu c - 6 years, 1 month ago

You're right; I had vertices C and D in the wrong order. I've edited the question accordingly. My intent was that the longer base was the same length as the diagonals. I'm sorry that my mistake prevented you from getting credit for answering the question. :( As for a diagram, I don't the capability to do that; perhaps one of the moderators will do so in time.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago

sir @Brian Charlesworth could you explain me why does not this agree...referring from the topmost figure given by sir @Niranjan Khanderia applying cosines law in triangle ADC from the fact that angle D is acute we get that (AC^2) = (AD^2) + (DC^2) -2(DC EC) now again we have (AC^2) = (AE^2) + (EC^2) so equating both of them we get (DE^2) + (DC^2) - 2(DC EC) = (EC^2) which can be re-written as (DE^2) + (DC^2) + (EC^2) - 2(DC*EC) = 2(EC^2) hence the equation translates into (DE^2) + (DC - EC)^2 = 2(EC^2) which yet again translates into 2(DE^2) = 2(EC^2) which implies DE = EC......which is absurd hence i had to go another way for the answer can you tell me where did i went astray..??

Arnav Das - 6 years, 1 month ago
Rekha Kushwaha
Oct 20, 2018

An easy solution.

Nice solution

Shrajal Kushwaha - 2 years, 7 months ago
Pawan Kumar
Apr 28, 2015

In right-angled E A C \triangle EAC ,

a 2 + ( b + a 2 ) 2 = b 2 a^2 + (\frac{b+a}{2})^2 = b^2

Divide both sides by b 2 b^2

( a b ) 2 + 1 4 ( 1 + a b ) 2 = 1 \Rightarrow (\frac{a}{b})^2 + \frac{1}{4}(1+\frac{a}{b})^2 = 1

let a b = α \frac{a}{b} = \alpha

α 2 + 1 4 ( 1 + α ) 2 = 1 \Rightarrow \alpha^2 + \frac{1}{4}(1+\alpha)^2 = 1

1 4 ( 1 + α ) 2 = 1 α 2 \Rightarrow \frac{1}{4}(1+\alpha)^2 = 1 - \alpha^2

Since α 1 \alpha \neq -1

1 4 ( 1 + α ) = 1 α \Rightarrow \frac{1}{4}(1+\alpha) = 1 - \alpha

1 + α = 4 4 α \Rightarrow 1+\alpha = 4 - 4\alpha

α = 3 5 \Rightarrow \alpha = \frac{3}{5}

a = 3 \therefore a = 3 , b = 5 b =5 , and a b = 243 a^b = 243

Hi, can you explain why do you use (b-a)/2?

Анюта Сливка - 3 years, 9 months ago
Danish Mohammed
Apr 26, 2015

From A A drop a perpendicular onto D C DC and let it intersect D C DC at L L . Drop another perpendicular from B B onto D C DC and let it intersect D C DC at M M .

So we have L M = A B LM = AB

Now, C D = D L + L M + M C = 2 D L + A B CD = DL + LM + MC = 2DL + AB implying D L = C D A B 2 DL = \frac{CD-AB}{2}

So we now have, C L = C D D L = A B + C D 2 CL = CD - DL = \frac{AB+CD}{2}

In the right Δ A L C \Delta ALC ,

A C 2 = A L 2 + C L 2 AC^2=AL^2+CL^2

Putting A C = C D AC=CD and A L = A B AL=AB in the above equation

C D 2 = A B 2 + ( A B + C D 2 ) 2 CD^2 =AB^2+(\frac{AB+CD}{2})^2

Divding both sides by C D 2 CD^2 , taking y = A B C D y = \frac{AB}{CD} and simplifying we get

5 y 2 + 2 y 3 = 0 5y^2+2y-3=0

( 5 y 3 ) ( y + 1 ) = 0 (5y-3)(y+1)=0

y = 3 5 y=\frac{3}{5} (since y > 0 y>0 )

So we have a b = 3 5 \frac{a}{b} = \frac{3}{5} so a b = 3 5 = 243 a^b = 3^5 = \boxed{243}

Just realized this is identical to your solution @Brian Charlesworth . Haha. :)

Danish Mohammed - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Haha. No problem. Our solutions read a bit differently, and so some people may prefer you presentation to mine or visa versa. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago
Sundar R
Feb 6, 2019

Sorry, it should be trng ACE and not ADE

Chew-Seong Cheong
Apr 26, 2015

Let A B = a |AB| = a and C D = b |CD|=b , therefore A B C D = a b \dfrac {|AB|}{|CD|} = \dfrac {a}{b} , which is what we want to find. Let the foot of altitude from A A to D C DC be E E .

We note that A B = A E = a |AB|=|AE|=a , C D = A C = b \space |CD|=|AC| = b and C E = b b a 2 = b + a 2 |CE| = b - \dfrac {b-a}{2} = \dfrac {b+a}{2} .

We also note that

C E 2 + A E 2 = A C 2 ( b + a 2 ) 2 + a 2 = b 2 b 2 + 2 a b + a 2 + 4 a 2 = 4 b 2 3 b 2 2 a b 5 a 2 = 0 ( 3 b 5 a ) ( b + a ) = 0 3 b = 5 a a b = 3 5 a b = 3 5 = 243 |CE|^2+|AE|^2 = |AC|^2\quad \Rightarrow \left( \dfrac {b+a}{2} \right)^2 + a^2 = b^2 \\ \Rightarrow b^2 + 2ab + a^2 + 4a^2 = 4b^2\quad \Rightarrow 3b^2 - 2ab - 5a^2 = 0 \\ \Rightarrow (3b-5a)(b+a) = 0 \quad \Rightarrow 3b=5a \quad \Rightarrow \dfrac {a}{b} = \dfrac{3}{5} \\ \Rightarrow a^b = 3^5 = \boxed{243}

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