Don't stand directly behind a cannon

The cannons on 19th century frigates were ponderous things. For example, on the USS Constitution, a frigate used in the War of 1812, the cannons were 3 meters 3~\mbox{meters} long, had a mass of 3000 kg 3000~\mbox{kg} , and could fire a 10 kg 10 ~\mbox{kg} cannonball up to a kilometer away. Needless to say the recoil on the cannons was tremendous and a mechanism had to be devised to keep the cannons from careening across the deck. The system employed at the time consisted of rope and tackle, which basically caught the cannon. One wants to make sure that the ropes are strong enough, so one needs to know the magnitude of the forces necessary to stop the cannon. A cannon 4 m 4~\mbox{m} above the waterline fires a 10 kg 10~\mbox{kg} cannonball horizontally that hits the water 500 m 500~\mbox{m} away. It recoils and is stopped by a rope braking mechanism, which exerts a constant force on the cannon once it starts to recoil. If the cannon recoils 1 m 1~\mbox{m} , what is the force the rope braking mechanism exerts on the cannon in Newtons ?

Details and assumptions

  • You may neglect air resistance for the motion of the cannonball.
  • The acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/s 2 -9.8~\mbox{m/s}^2 .


The answer is 5104.

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6 solutions

Sagar Agarwal
May 20, 2014

The canon is at a height of 4 metres and canonball projected goes for a maximum range of 500 metres therefore,

1.vertical velocity of canon ball =0 using,

s=ut+1/2gt^2 4=1/2 9.8 t^2 t=sqrt{8 /9.8}

after getting time ,we can easily get the horizontal velocity of canonball ie v*sqrt{8 /9.8}=500 v=500/sqrt{8 /9.8}..........(i)

2.now the second concept of conservation of momentum in horizontal direction as centre of mass was earlier at rest,v(cm)=0 then after projection, velocity of canon=u Given, Mass of canon =3000 kg Mass of canon ball=10 kg applying conservation of momentum,

3000 u=10 v u=v/300...............(ii)

3.Applying v^2=u^2+2as,for canon, final velocity of canon =0 initial velocity of cannon=v/300(v from (i)) s=1m

Hence we can easily find a ,a represents retardation given by the ropes on the canon, a=-1.7013 meter per second square

hence force= -ma

resistive force=3000*1.7013=5104.1667N

Snehdeep Arora
Nov 18, 2013

Let v v be the velocity of cannon and v b v_b be the velocity of cannonball after the fire and F F be the force.

Using the principle of conservation of momentum: 0 = 3000 v + 10 v b 0=3000v+10v_b .

v = 10 v b 3000 v=\frac{-10v_b}{3000} ....(1) (The minus sign indicates the opposite direction of velocities).

For the cannonball:

x = 500 = v b t x=500=v_bt and y = 4 = 0.5 g t 2 y=4=0.5gt^2 .

Solving, v b = 553.398 v_b=553.398 m/s.

Putting in ( 1 ) (1) :

v = 1.84466 v=1.84466 m/s.

Now the work done by the force to stop the cannon is equal to the change in kinetic energy (Neglecting friction)

0.5 m v 2 = F × 1 0.5mv^2=F\times 1

Plugging in values m = 3000 m=3000 kg v = 1.84466 v=1.84466 m/s we get F = 5104.16 \boxed{F= 5104.16} N.

When solving physics problems, it's best to generalize your result if possible. For example, I got the formula

F = x 2 m 1 2 g 4 m 2 h Δ x F=\frac{x^2m_1^2g}{4m_2h\Delta x}

where x = 500 m x=500\text{m} , m 1 = 30 kg m_1=30\text{kg} , g = 9.8 m s 2 g=9.8\frac{\text{m}}{\text{s}^2} , m 2 = 300 kg m_2=300\text{kg} , h = 4 m h=4\text{m} , and Δ x = 1 m \Delta x=1\text{m} . It makes for a better-presented solution rather than simply number-crunching. It also saves precision errors.

Cody Johnson - 7 years, 6 months ago

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yeah right

Led Tasso - 7 years, 6 months ago
D G
Nov 17, 2013

a ( t ) = [ 0 , g ] a(t) = [0, g]

v ( t ) = a ( t ) d t = [ v 0 x , v 0 y + g t ] v(t) = \int{a(t) dt} = [v0_x, v0_y+g*t]

p ( t ) = v ( t ) d t = [ p 0 x + t v 0 x , p 0 y + t v 0 y g 2 t 2 ] p(t) = \int{v(t) dt} = [p0_x + t*v0_x, p0_y + t*v0_y - \frac{g}{2}*t^2]

From the problem we know that p 0 x = 0 p0_x = 0 (setting the ship as the origin) and p 0 y = 4 p0_y = 4 , v 0 y = 0 v0_y = 0 (velocity has only a horizontal component).

p ( t ) = [ t v 0 x , 4 g 2 t 2 ] p(t) = [t*v0_x, 4 - \frac{g}{2}*t^2]

We also know that when p y = 0 p_y=0 , p x = 500 p_x=500 . Solving for v0_x:

t 0 = 2 s q r t ( 2 g ) t0 = 2*sqrt(2*g)

t 0 v 0 x = 2 s q r t ( 2 g ) v 0 x = 500 t0*v0_x = 2*sqrt(2*g)*v0_x = 500

v 0 x = 250 s q r t ( 2 g ) v0_x = \frac{250}{sqrt(2*g)}

Now we know the kinetic energy of the ball (in J) as it is fired:

E b = 1 2 m b v 0 x 2 = 15625 g m b E_b = \frac{1}{2}m_b*v0_x^2 = 15625*g*m_b

Applying Newton's third law:

m c v c = m b v b m_c * v_c = -m_b * v_b

v c = m b v b m c v_c = \frac{-m*b * v_b}{m_c}

E c = 1 2 m c v c 2 = 1 2 m c m b 2 v b 2 m c 2 E_c = \frac{1}{2}*m_c*v_c^2 = \frac{1}{2}*m_c* \frac{m_b^2 * v_b^2}{m_c^2}

E c = E b m b m c = 15625 g m b 2 m c E_c = \frac{E_b * m_b}{m_c} = \frac{15625*g*m_b^2}{m_c}

From the work energy principle:

W = F d = Δ E W = F * d = \Delta E

Since the cannon is coming to a complete stop, Δ E = E c \Delta E = E_c .

F = W d = E c d = 15625 g m b 2 m c 5104 N F = \frac{W}{d} = \frac{E_c}{d} = \frac{15625*g*m_b^2}{m_c} \approx 5104 N

Advitiya Brijesh
Nov 19, 2013

Let, M = 3000 k g M=3000 kg , m = 10 k g m=10 kg , v i v_i =initial velocity of the cannon, u i u_i =initial velocity of cannonball, Now, as the net force in the horizontal direction is zero so we can apply "Conservation of Linear Momemtum"

M v i = m u i M v_i=m u_i

Now using the concept of projectile motion we can obtain the initial velocity of the cannonball,

4 = 1 2 g t 2 4=\frac{1}{2} *g*t^2 and 500 = v i t 500=v_i *t

we get, v i = 35 3 40 v_i=\frac{35}{3*\sqrt{40}}

Now as the question uses the assumption that force becomes constant so we can apply equation of motion,

( v i ) 2 = ( 0 2 ) + 2 a ( 1 ) ) (v_i)^2=(0^2)+2*a*(1))

where, a a =acceleration of cannon

So, a = 25 1225 6 a=\frac{25*1225}{6} then F r e q . = M a 5104 F_{req.}=M*a \approx 5104

sorry, applied wrong equation in COLM, it is M v i + m u i = 0 M v_i + m u_i=0

Advitiya Brijesh - 7 years, 6 months ago
Matthew Else
Nov 18, 2013

The cannon ball will be following a ballistic trajectory, so the distance travelled by the missile, d d can be given by:

d = v cos θ g ( v sin θ + ( v × sin θ ) 2 + 2 g y 0 d = \frac{v \cos \theta}{g}(v \sin \theta + \sqrt{(v \times \sin \theta)^2+2gy_0}

We know that the angle of launch is parallel to the ground, so θ \theta is therefore equal to 0:

d = v g 2 g y 0 d = \frac{v}{g}\sqrt{2gy_0}

which implies:

v = d g 2 g y 0 v = \frac{dg}{\sqrt{2gy_0}}

Plugging in the values we know: Distance Travelled: d = 500 m d = 500m

Acceleration due to gravity: g = 9.8 m s 1 g = 9.8 ms^-1

Initial Height: y 0 = 4 m y_0 = 4m

As a result, we end up with:

v = 500 × 9.8 2 × 9.8 × 4 v = \frac{500\times9.8}{\sqrt{2\times9.8\times4}}

v = 553.399 m s 1 v = 553.399 ms^-1

From this we can find the momentum of the cannonball, just as it leaves the cannon:

p = 553.399 × 10 = 5533.99 k g m s 1 p = 553.399\times10 = 5533.99 kg m s^-1

As momentum is maintained before and after the launch, the cannon must now have:

p = 5533.99 k g m s 1 p = -5533.99 kg m s^-1

From this, we can find the new velocity of the cannon:

u = p m = 5533.99 3000 u = \frac{p}{m} = \frac{-5533.99}{3000}

We also know that the cannon travels 1m backwards, before coming to a stop, so we know that over this metre, the cannon will be decelerating and, as F = m a F = ma the rate of deceleration will determine the force that we want to find.

v 2 = u 2 + 2 a s v^2 = u^2 +2as

v = 0 v = 0 , u = 5533.99 3000 u = \frac{-5533.99}{3000} , s = 1 s = 1

Therefore,

a = 0.5 × 5533.99 3000 2 = 1.70 m s 1 a = 0.5 \times \frac{5533.99}{3000}^2 = 1.70 m s^-1

F = m a = 3000 × 1.70 = 5104 N F = ma = 3000 \times 1.70 = 5104 N (0 decimal places)

it should have been 1.7m/s^2 at the bottom.

Matthew Else - 7 years, 6 months ago

When the cannon fires the cannonball, it gives the cannonball an initial velocity . Hence, by the law of conservation of momentum (1), the cannon will also receive an initial velocity in the opposite direction , making it recoil. When the cannon recoil, the braking force of the rope decelerates the cannon(2) to rest after travelling 1 m(3). Meanwhile, the cannonball travels 500 m horizontally and 4 m vertically downwards.

Workings:

M and m are the masses of the cannon and the cannonball, respectively. (known)

V and v are the velocities of the cannon and the cannonball, respectively.

S and s are the horizontal displacements of the cannon and the cannonball, respectively. (known)

F is the braking force the rope exerts on the cannon.

a is the deceleration rate of the cannon.

t is the time it takes from firing for the cannonball to hit the water.

h is the vertical displacement of the cannonball.

Equations for the events described above:

(1) MV = mv

(2) F = Ma

(3) V_{rest}^{2} - V^{2} = 2aS

V_{rest} = 0 , therefore:

- V^{2} = 2aS

(4) Vertically: h = \frac{1}{2} gt^{2} (a)

Horizontally: s = v \times t (b)

We want to find F in equation (2), for which we need the value a , which we can calculate from equation (3) if provided with V , which we can find out from equation (1) if v is known. To find v , we have to use the pair of equations (4a) and (4b). So let's start with (4a):

h = \frac{1}{2} gt^{2}

t = \sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}

Substitute t into (4b):

s = v \times t

v = \frac{s}{t}

v = \frac{s}{\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}}

Substitute v into (1):

MV = mv

V = \frac{mv}{M}

V = \frac{m \times \frac{s}{\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}}}{M}

Substitute V into (3):

- V^{2} = 2aS

a = \frac{-V^{2}}{2S}

a = \frac{-(\frac{m \times \frac{s}{\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}}}{M})^{2}}{2S}

Then finally, substitute a into (2):

F = Ma

F = M \times \frac{-(\frac{m \times \frac{s}{\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}}}{M})^{2}}{2S}

`F = 3000 \times \frac{-(\frac{10 \times \frac{500}{\sqrt{\frac{2 \times -4}{-9.8}}}}{3000})^{2}}{2 \times 1}

F = -5104.17 N

Because we only want the magnitude of the force, we will take the value 5104 as the answer.

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