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A box contains 8 yellow balls, 3 red balls and 5 white balls. In taking 3 balls randomly (without replacement), the probability that we draw at least 1 red ball can be expressed as a b \frac{a}{b} , where a a and b b are positive coprime integers. What is the value of a + b a+b ?


The answer is 417.

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13 solutions

Probability of getting atleast 1 red ball (1,2 or 3 red balls) is the same as 1-(probability of getting no red ball)

Probability of getting no red ball: (Using combinations)

n(Event) = 13 ! 3 ! 10 ! \frac{13!}{3!10!} = 286

n(Sample Space) = 16 ! 13 ! 3 ! \frac{16!}{13!3!} = 560

Probability = n ( E ) n ( S ) \frac{n(E)}{n(S)} = 286 560 \frac{286}{560}

Probability of getting at least one read ball = 1 - (probability of getting no red ball)

Required probability = 1 286 560 1 - \frac{286}{560} = 137 280 \frac{137}{280}

a=137 and b=280

a + b = 417

It's perfectly alright.

Meenakshi Janardanan - 7 years, 5 months ago

same thought

Lee Nguyen - 7 years, 2 months ago

very bad statement

Ramin Taghizada - 7 years, 5 months ago

I solved it the other way around , here's what I did :

First of all , the sample space = 16C3 = 560

Possibilities of only 1 red ball drawn = ( 13C2 ) * ( 3C1 ) = 234

Possibilities of 2 red balls drawn = ( 13C1 ) * ( 3C2 ) = 39

Possibiliteis of 3 red balls drawn obviously = 1

Therefore the possibilities of at least one red ball drawn = 234 + 39 + 1 = 274

Then divide it by the sample space : 274/560 = 137/280 = a/b Then : a + b = 137 + 280 = 417 ;) :D

Amr Gallab - 6 years, 11 months ago

this question is very very wrong because of the coprime factor !!!

Ramin Taghizada - 7 years, 5 months ago

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could u please tell me the reason???

Amlan Mishra - 7 years, 2 months ago

hm? What's wrong?

Aloysius Ng - 7 years ago

what is it?

math man - 6 years, 11 months ago
Lewis Tough
Dec 20, 2013

The easiest way to solve this problem is to begin with the situation we wouldn't want, in this case avoiding red completely. Since we're starting with 16 balls, our odds of avoiding red on the first pick are 13/16. Then, should we have avoided red, these change to 12/15 and 11/14 for the second and third chances respectively. To find the chance overall, we must multiply the fractions together, giving 143/280. Now, if that fraction represents the chances of drawing no red balls, we need to do 280-143 to find the chances of 1 or more, which is 137(/280). 137+280 is 417, which is our answer.

Why the ratio changes to 12/15 and 11/14 in second and third try. The number of red balls remain same, so shouldn't the ratio be 13/15 and 13/14. I know your method is right, since you got the right answer. Just can't understand the logic. Please explain.

Vikesh Koul - 7 years, 3 months ago

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I agreeeeeee. It should be 13/16, 13/15 and 13/14.

PUSHPESH KUMAR - 6 years, 6 months ago
Tom Zhou
Dec 20, 2013

There are a total of ( 8 + 5 + 3 3 ) \binom{8+5+3}{3} ways of drawing 3 balls without regard to order. The number of ways of n o t not drawing a red ball is given by ( 8 + 5 3 ) \binom{8+5}{3} since we are choosing 3 balls from only the yellow and white balls. Therefore the probability of drawing at least one red ball is 1 ( 13 3 ) ( 16 3 ) = 1 286 560 = 137 280 = a b 1-\frac{\binom{13}{3}}{\binom{16}{3}}=1-\frac{286}{560}=\frac{137}{280}=\frac{a}{b}

a + b = 417 a+b=\boxed{417}

Great explanation!

Mira B - 7 years, 5 months ago

good explntn

Lutful Kabir Rumi - 7 years, 5 months ago

But wouldn't the first combination (8+5+3)choose 3 overcount the ways?? For example, if we consider the 3 red balls to be R1, R2 and R3, then the combination would consider (Y,W,R1) and (Y,W,R2) as different combinations but they are the same.

shaurya gupta - 7 years, 5 months ago

( 16 3 ) = 16 × 15 × 14 3 × 2 × 1 \binom{16}{3}=\frac{16\times15\times14}{3\times2\times1} and not 16 × 15 × 14 16\times15\times14 . Generally in problems like these, the items are considered indistinguishable. But even if we did consider them distinguishable, then we would get 13 × 12 × × 11 16 × 15 × 14 \frac{13\times12\times\times11}{16\times15\times14} as the probability of not drawing a red ball and the answer is the same.

Tom Zhou - 7 years, 5 months ago
Tan Li Xuan
Dec 21, 2013

The probability that we do not draw any red balls is equal to 13 16 × 12 15 × 11 14 = 143 280 \frac{13}{16} \times \frac{12}{15} \times \frac{11}{14} = \frac{143}{280} .So the probability that we draw at least 1 red ball is equal to 1 143 280 = 137 280 1 - \frac{143}{280} = \frac{137}{280} .So a = 137 , b = 280 a = 137,b = 280 and a + b = 417 a + b =417 .

This is hypergeometric distribution question.

Let X be a number of red picked up.

Using axiom of probability, P(X=1)+P(X=2)+P(X=3) = 1-P(X=0)

P(X=0)=1716/3360

Therefore, 1-P(X=0)= 1644/3360.

The GCD is 12, then 1644/3360 = 137/280.

137+280 = 417

Aditya Joshi
Jan 23, 2014

P ( atleast one red ball ) = 1 P ( no red ball ) P(\text{atleast one red ball}) = 1 - P(\text{no red ball})

P ( no red ball ) = 13 16 × 12 15 × 11 14 P(\text{no red ball}) = \dfrac{13}{16} \times \dfrac{12}{15} \times \dfrac{11}{14}

P ( atleast one red ball ) = 1 ( 143 280 ) = 137 280 = 417 P(\text{atleast one red ball}) = 1- \left( \dfrac{143}{280} \right) = \dfrac{137}{280} = \boxed{417}

Amr Gallab
Jul 4, 2014

I solved it the other way around , here's what I did :

First of all , the sample space = 16C3 = 560

Possibilities of only 1 red ball drawn = ( 13C2 ) * ( 3C1 ) = 234

Possibilities of 2 red balls drawn = ( 13C1 ) * ( 3C2 ) = 39

Possibiliteis of 3 red balls drawn obviously = 1

Therefore the possibilities of at least one red ball drawn = 234 + 39 + 1 = 274

Then divide it by the sample space : 274/560 = 137/280 = a/b Then : a + b = 137 + 280 = 417 ;) :D

Asad Mustafa
Jan 9, 2014

total no. of ways of taking 3 balls from 16 balls= 16c3 = 560

no. of ways when no red ball is taken= 13c3 = 286

so, no. of ways when atleast one red ball is taken = 560-286= 274

probablity that we draw atleast a red ball= 274/560=137/280.

a= 137 & b=280.

theirfore, a+b= 280+137 =417

Amit Kumar
Dec 26, 2013

number of ways of selecting 3 balls out of 16 = 16C3 = 560

number of ways of selecting 3 non-red balls = 13C3 = 286

probability of at least one red ball = (560 - 286)/560 = 137/280

137 + 280 = 417

Raj Magesh
Dec 21, 2013

Out of a total of 16 balls, let us consider the cases in which we do not get any red ball at all. For the first ball, we have a total of 8 + 5 = 13 8+5 = 13 choices out of 16 16 (since we are excluding the red balls); for the second, we have a remaining total of 12 12 choices out of 15 15 ; for the third ball, we have 11 11 choices out of 14 14 .

P ( N o R e d B a l l s ) = 13 16 × 12 15 × 11 14 = 143 280 P(No Red Balls) = \frac{13}{16} \times \frac{12}{15} \times \frac{11}{14} = \frac{143}{280}

And so, P ( A t L e a s t O n e R e d ) = 1 143 280 = 137 280 P(At Least One Red) = 1 - \frac{143}{280} = \frac{137}{280}

We have a = 137 a = 137 and b = 280 b = 280 , giving us a + b = 417 a + b = 417 , which is the required answer.

Shivam Khosla
Dec 21, 2013

There are two ways...you can make different cases or simplest way is find the probability of getting only yellow and white balls and subtract it from 1(complement).....

Alexander Sludds
Dec 20, 2013

Because counting the number of ways to count AT LEAST 3 red balls is too hard we are going to use complementary counting to count how many ways we can not count a red ball. The answer we want to get is now 1 ( 13 3 ) ( 16 3 ) 1-\frac{{13 \choose 3}}{{16 \choose 3}} because the amount of success in this case is choosing the amount of balls that are not red over the amount of total ways you can choose a ball.

Let's imagine we only have the 8 8 yellow balls and the 5 5 white balls. So the combinations are 13 ! 3 ! 10 ! = 286 \frac {13!}{3!\cdot 10!} = 286 . Now let's add up the 3 3 red balls. The combinations are 16 ! 3 ! 13 ! = 560 \frac {16!}{3!\cdot 13!} = 560 . That means that the difference between this two cases, 560 286 = 274 560 - 286 = 274 , are the combinations that involves at least 1 1 red ball. But remember that we have 16 16 balls, so the total of possible combinations are 560 560 . The answer is 274 560 = 137 280 \frac {274}{560} = \frac {137}{280} , and so a + b = 137 + 280 = 417 a + b = 137 + 280 = \boxed {417} .

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