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Algebra Level 1

a + b + c + d = 12 a + b + c d = 10 a + b c + d = 2 a b + c + d = 6 a + b + c + d = 10 \begin{aligned} a + b + c + d &=& 12 \\ a + b + c - d &=& 10 \\ a + b - c + d &=& -2 \\ a- b + c + d &=& 6 \\ -a + b + c + d &=& 10 \\ \end{aligned}

a , b , c , d a,b,c,d are positive integers satisfying the equation above.

What is the value of a × b × c × d a \times b \times c \times d ?


The answer is 21.

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Chew-Seong Cheong
Apr 22, 2015

{ a + b + c + d = 12 . . . ( 1 ) a + b + c d = 10 . . . ( 2 ) a + b c + d = 2 . . . ( 3 ) a b + c + d = 6 . . . ( 4 ) a + b + c + d = 10 . . . ( 5 ) \begin{cases} a+b+c+d = 12 & ...(1) \\ a+b+c-d = 10 & ...(2) \\ a+b-c+d = -2 & ...(3) \\ a-b+c+d = 6 & ...(4) \\ -a+b+c+d = 10 & ...(5) \end{cases}

{ E q . 1 + E q . 2 : 2 ( a + b + c ) = 22 a + b + c = 11 d = 1 E q . 2 + E q . 3 : 2 ( a + b ) = 8 a + b = 4 c = 7 E q . 1 + E q . 4 : 2 ( a + c + d ) = 18 a + 7 + 1 = 9 a = 1 E q . 2 + E q . 3 : a + b = 4 1 + b = 4 b = 3 \begin{cases} Eq.1+Eq.2: & 2(a+b+c) = 22 & \Rightarrow a+b+c = 11 & \Rightarrow d = 1 \\ Eq.2+Eq.3: & 2(a+b) = 8 & \Rightarrow \color{#3D99F6}{a+b = 4} & \Rightarrow c = 7 \\ Eq.1+Eq.4: & 2(a+c+d) = 18 & \Rightarrow a+7+1 = 9 & \Rightarrow a = 1 \\ Eq.2+Eq.3: & \color{#3D99F6}{a+b = 4} & \Rightarrow 1+b = 4 & \Rightarrow b = 3 \end{cases}

a × b × c × d = 1 × 3 × 7 × 1 = 21 \Rightarrow a\times b\times c \times d = 1\times 3\times 7 \times 1 = \boxed{21}

Moderator note:

Great. Can a cyclic quadrilateral with sides a , b , c , d a,b,c,d exist?

Nope because since one of the sides (say d) is length 7 then by something similar to the triangle inequality, a + b + c > d because otherwise the lines won't reach the end of the d. However this implies 3 + 1 + 1 > 7 or 5 > 7 which is obviously false.

Josh Banister - 6 years, 1 month ago

GREAT Chew-Seong Cheong

Sijith Chandran - 6 years ago
Jonathan Salim
Apr 24, 2015

a+b+c+d = 12

a+b+c-d = a+b+c+d-2d = 12-2d = 10 -> d=1

a+b-c+d = a+b+c+d-2c = 12-2c = -2 -> c=7

a-b+c+d = a+b+c+d-2b = 12-2b = 6 -> b=3

-a+b+c+d = a+b+c+d-2a = 12-2a = 10 -> a=1

abcd = 1.3.7.1 = 21

Moderator note:

Much simpler! Can you find a way to solve this (as simple as possible) if the first equation is not given?

To the Challenge Master: Just add up the last four given equations (and divide by two) to get the first equation. Then proceed using Robert's method.

Akiva Weinberger - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Or, call the first given equation X and the last four A, B, C, and D respectively. You don't want me to use X. Well, how about this: What's A+B+C-D (abusing notation)? A+B-C+D? A-B+C+D? -A+B+C+D?

(Whoah. Those look suspiciously similar to equations A, B, C, and D themselves. Is this a coincidence, or is there something deeper here?)

Akiva Weinberger - 6 years, 1 month ago
Borya F.
Apr 24, 2015

turning into augmanted matrix:

Then subtract row 1 coefficients from all other rows and divide by -2:

result:

Nice to see it done using matrices, makes it look far simpler. There's an error in your third matrix. The 2 should be negative. The error wasn't carried forward though so you still got the right answer. Also in your fourth matix you did not divide your top row by -2.

Ryan Chapman - 6 years, 1 month ago
Rocco Tenaglia
Apr 24, 2015

Subtracting eqs. 1 & 2 will create 2d=2, which simplifies to d=1. The same can be done with eqs. 1 & 3 to find c, and so on.

Marcus Jeffries
Apr 24, 2015

a+b+c+d=12 (1)

a+b+c-d=10 (2)

a+b-c+d=-2 (3)

a-b+c+d=6 (4)

-a+b+c+d=10 (5)

(2) = (5) therefore, a=d.

(3)+(4) = 4 = 2(a+d), a+d=2, thus a=d=1

(2)+(3) = 8, 2(a+b)=8, thus b=3

plug those 3 into any eqn and you get c=7.

a.b.c.d=21

Jia Butt
May 3, 2015

Eq1 minus eq2 same did for eq 4 & 5 and add eq3 into eq 1 get values of all elements a=1,b=3,c=7 & d=1 Now replace values in required eq = axbxcxd=1x3x7x1=21

Nydia Putri
Apr 25, 2015

a+b+c+d = 12 ; then :

to find d, a+b+c = 12-d

a+b+c=10+d -> 12-d = 10+d -> d=1 ;

to find c, a+b+d=12-c

a+b+d=-2+c -> 12-c = -2+c -> c=7 ;

to find b, a+c+d= 12-b

a+c+d = 6+b -> 12-b = 6+b -> b= 3;

to find a, just substitute the rest -> -a+3+7+1=10 -> a=1

abcd= 21

Matheus Dantas
Apr 24, 2015

This sistem is impossible (2) + (3) + (4) + (5): 3(a+b+c+d)=24 >> a+b+c+d=8 (1): a+b+c+d = 12 IMPOSSIBLE!

Moderator note:

Check your working.

You didn't consider the constant values in R.H.S of equations 2,3,4,5

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 1 month ago
Amandeep Verma
Apr 24, 2015

By adding eqns & after solving them,

We get ,a=1,b=3, c=7, d=1

Therefore, axbxcxd= 1×3×7×1=21.

if A=1, B= 3, C=7, D=1 how does A+B+C - D=10 or 1+3+7 - 1= 10?

Raymond LePage - 6 years, 1 month ago

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