XY Problem

Algebra Level 1

{ x 2 + y 2 = 30 x + y = 10 \begin{cases} { x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }=30 \\ x+y=10 \end{cases}

If the above equations are true simultaneously, then find the value of x y xy .


The answer is 35.

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23 solutions

Isaac Jiménez
Aug 19, 2014

See 30 = x 2 + y 2 = ( x + y ) 2 2 x y 30={ x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }=(x+y{ ) }^{ 2 }-2xy , as x + y = 10 x+y=10 ; we know ( x + y ) 2 2 x y = 100 2 x y = 30 (x+y{ ) }^{ 2 }-2xy=100-2xy=30 . Thus x y = 35 xy=\boxed { 35 } .

nice . its something tricky;-).

Kenneth Mark Balanza - 6 years, 8 months ago

Amazing man!

Afzal Sajid - 6 years, 9 months ago

Gud question.

Anagha Nair - 6 years, 8 months ago

Great solution... hats off

Rishi Jaientilal - 5 years, 11 months ago

Nice one by eliminating 2xy

Pramit Majumdar - 6 years, 9 months ago

i m going little further to find the value of x, y. from above solution we can find x=5-i* sqrt(10) and y=5-i*sqrt(10).

Kali Charan Behera - 5 years, 6 months ago

Wow...amazing dude...

Eswara Prakash - 5 years, 3 months ago

Good... this way we can ...but we cant do factorisation method... no real soln... 😊

Johan George - 5 years ago

Was marked up wrong

George Mcallister - 4 years, 8 months ago

X square +Y square is not equal to x+y the whole square this isn't a polynomial identity

Very using

X=2 Y=4

Xsquare+Ysquare=20

(X+Y)square=36

😐

Nikhil Bongale - 4 years, 7 months ago

u are really issac newton

Ahmed Safwan - 6 years, 8 months ago
Govind Balaji
Aug 20, 2014

( x + y ) 2 = x 2 + y 2 + 2 x y 10 2 = 30 + 2 x y 70 = 2 x y 35 = x y \begin{aligned} (x+y)^2&=x^2+y^2+2xy\\{10}^2&=30+2xy\\70&=2xy\\35&=xy \end{aligned}

where did 2xy come from?

Symon Anido - 6 years, 8 months ago

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because 10² = (x+y)² = (x+y)(x+y) = x² + xy + xy + y² = x² + y² + 2xy

john doe - 6 years, 8 months ago

from algebric identity

Yashwardhan Marwal - 6 years, 8 months ago

x+y*x+y=x^2+y^2+2xy
x+y x+y x^2 y^2 and 2xy

Hongkun Gu - 5 years, 10 months ago

Freshman's dream?

Gaurav Pundir - 1 year, 4 months ago

I get it now.

Sarah Syed - 6 years, 9 months ago

You are brilliant

Nicolae Bobaru - 4 years, 9 months ago

It came from the binomial thereom

Shubam Tayal - 1 year ago
Patrick Corn
Aug 20, 2014

Has anyone noticed that this system of equations has no solution for real numbers x , y x,y ? Seems like kind of a flaw.

I think the title "easy solution" is unfair as there is no set of real numbers that satisfies both those equations simultaneously.

Daniel White - 6 years, 9 months ago

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The solution is "easy" - you don't need to solve for x & y, or know anything about complex numbers to be able to calculate xy - you just need to know that ( x + y ) 2 = x 2 + x 2 + 2 x y (x+y)^2 = x^2 + x^2 + 2xy ; and since you know x 2 + y 2 = 30 x^2 + y^2 = 30 , and you know ( x + y ) = 10 (x+y) = 10 and therefore you also know ( x + y ) 2 (x + y)^2 , you can work out x y xy directly without ever solving directly for x o r y x\ or\ y .

Tony Flury - 2 years, 9 months ago

Complex solutions exist.

mietantei conan - 6 years, 9 months ago

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Complex are real as well as imaginary you have o specify imaginary particularly.

D K - 2 years, 9 months ago

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No - the problem only asks for a solution for xy - it doesn't say that either x or y (or even that xy) is real - although it turns out that xy is real. You don't even have to solve for x and y to solve the question.

Tony Flury - 2 years, 9 months ago

Yes (x,y) = (5 + i sqrt(10), 5 - i sqrt(10)) and (5 - i sqrt(10), 5 + i sqrt(10)) are the solutions.

Jason Thweatt - 6 years, 9 months ago

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And you don't need to solve for x or y to calculate xy -

Tony Flury - 2 years, 9 months ago

if you actually multiply the complex solutions you get 35 as well. Its not like this breaks math or anything.

Matthew Powers - 6 years, 8 months ago

Ya i noticed

Java chuppado - 6 years, 9 months ago

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i actually gave up trying to solve it because I was looking for an integer solution

Dan Stillit - 6 years, 9 months ago

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but you were never asked to solved for x or y, just to work out what x*y was. As others have proved you can do that. You will find that many problems on this site don't have integer roots to their equations, but most of the time you don't need to find the roots anyway.

Tony Flury - 5 years, 9 months ago

Suppose x , y R x,y \in \mathbb R solve the system of equations.

x y = 35 > 0 xy = 35 > 0 means x x and y y are both positive or both negative.

Hence x + y = 10 x + y = 10 imply both are positive.

By AM-GM inequality

x + y 2 x y \dfrac{x + y}{2} \geq \sqrt{xy}

that means

5 35 5 \geq \sqrt{35}

when 5 > 5.9 \sqrt{5} > 5.9 . Contraddiction. x x and y y cannot be both real .

Having real sum we can also state that both are not real.

Andrea Palma - 6 years, 1 month ago

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so what ? The problem doesn't state that both x & y are real - it just asks for the value of xy - nothing is implied about x or y, and there is no need to calculate x or y to solve the problem -

Tony Flury - 2 years, 9 months ago

Yeah i got that too

Rishi Jaientilal - 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes you got that point.

D K - 2 years, 9 months ago

How is that a flaw - there are solutions to the problem - as illustrated here, that you can answer the question without finding either x or y. Does it matter that neither value is real ? The problem is easy - once you identify that you don't need to solve either x or y on their own.

Tony Flury - 5 years, 9 months ago
Chelo Norico
Aug 20, 2014

Completing the square:

x^2 + 2xy + y^2 = 30 + 2xy

(x + y)^2 = 30 + 2xy

x + y = 10

100 = 30 + 2xy

2xy = 70

xy = 35

(x+y) ^2= 10^2
x^2+ y^2 + 2xy = 100,
30 + 2xy = 100,
2xy = 100-30
2xy = 70
thus, xy = 35




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Simple standard approach.

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Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 9 months ago
Kani Mozhi
Aug 8, 2015

given the following equation ,
x+y=10, x^+y^=30, ( ^=means power of 2) the formula is (x+y)^=x^+y^+2xy,
10x10=30+2xy 100 = 30+2xy 70=2xy 35=xy

the answer is 35.

Mohammad Khaza
Jul 4, 2017

(x + y)^2= x^2 + y^2 + 2 .x. y

or,(10)^2 = 30 + 2xy

or, 70 =2xy

or, 35 =xy

Vishal S
Jan 6, 2015

X 2 X^{2} + Y 2 Y^{2} = ( X + Y ) 2 (X+Y)^{2} -2xy

By substituting the given values, we get

1 0 2 10^{2} -2xy =30

\Rightarrow 100-2xy=30

\Rightarrow 2xy=100-30

\Rightarrow 2xy=70

\Rightarrow xy=35

**therefore the value of xy= 35 \boxed{35}

Ash Ku
Apr 19, 2016

If (x + y)^2 = x^2 + 2xy + y^2 Then (10)^2 = (x^2 + y^2) + 2xy; (10)^2 = (30) + 2xy; 2xy = 70; xy = 35

The answer to this question would be 2 x y = ( x + y ) 2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) = 70 x y = 35. 2xy = (x+ y)^2 - (x^2 + y^2) = 70 \ \ \therefore\ \ xy = 35.

Note 1: It is interesting to take this as starting point for finding the values of x x and y y themselves. Here is how I proceed: ( x y ) 2 = ( x 2 + y 2 ) 2 x y = ( x 2 + y 2 ) [ ( x + y ) 2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) ] = 2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) ( x + y ) 2 = 2 30 1 0 2 = 40 (x - y)^2 = (x^2 + y^2) - 2xy = (x^2 + y^2) - \left[(x+y)^2 - (x^2 + y^2)\right] \\ = 2(x^2 + y^2) - (x+y)^2 = 2\cdot 30 - 10^2 = -40 Now we know that { x + y = 10 x y = ± 40 = ± 2 10 i \begin{cases} x + y = 10 \\ x - y = \pm\sqrt{-40} = \pm2\sqrt{10}i \end{cases} We find x x and y y by adding or subtracting these equations, then halving: x , y = 10 ± 2 10 i 2 = 5 ± 10 i . x,y = \frac{10 \pm 2\sqrt{10}i}2 = 5 \pm \sqrt{10}i.

Note 2: Others have said this too: there are no real solutions to this equation. We see this very quickly by realizing that for real numbers, given the sum x + y x+y , the value x 2 + y 2 x^2 + y^2 is minimal when x = y x = y . In this case, this implies that x 2 + y 2 2 5 2 = 50 x^2 + y^2 \geq 2\cdot 5^2 = 50 . Because that is not true here, there are no real solutions.

Kevin Silva
Mar 3, 2016

x^2+y^2= 30<br> x+y=10<br> <br> y=10-x<br> <br> x^2+(10-x)^2= 30<br> x^2+100-20x+x^2= 30<br> 2x^2-20x+100=30<br> 2x^2-20x+70<br> x^2-10x+35=0<br>

We now that the standard root form of a quadratic equation is always

ax^2-b(sum)*x+(product)=0

Therefore, xy=35

Samyak Jain
Jan 26, 2016

x+y= 10 square both side (x+y)^2=100 x^2 + y^2 + 2xy =100 30+2xy = 100 xy= 100-30 / 2 xy = 70/ 2 xy = 35

Soham Atkar
Dec 7, 2014

(x^2 )+(y^2)=30; x+y=10; (x+y)^2=100; 100=(x^2)+(2xy)+(y^2); 100=30+2xy; 70=2xy; 35=xy . No big deal. You can find out the answer using the formula: (a+b)^2=(a^2)+2ab+(b^2)

Dan Skal
Dec 5, 2014

We know x 2 + 2 x y + y 2 = ( x + y ) 2 = 1 0 2 = 100 x^{2} + 2xy + y^{2} = (x + y)^{2} = 10^{2} = 100 . Hence, 2 x y = 100 ( x 2 + y 2 ) = 100 30 = 70 2xy = 100- (x^{2} + y^{2}) = 100 - 30 = 70 . Therefore, x y = 70 2 = 35 xy = \frac{70}{2} = \boxed{35} .

(x+y)^2=(x^2)+(y^2)+2xy=30+2xy=10^2=100 Thus xy=35. As simple as that!

x^2+y^2=30 x+y=10,squaring on both sides we get, x^2+y^2+2xy=100; so 30+2*xy=100; 2xy=70; xy=35.

Jenosha Sarah
Oct 2, 2014

taking x+y=10
(x+y)^2=10^2
x^2+y^2+2xy=100
30+2xy=100 [x^2+y^2=30]
2xy=70
xy=35




Mrunmay Mete
Sep 17, 2014

(x+y) ²=x²+y²+2xy 10²=30+2xy 2xy=100-30 2xy=70 xy=35

Karim Shaféiq
Sep 15, 2014

x+y=10

x^2 + 2(x)(y) + y^2 = 100

30+ 2 (x) (y) = 100

xy= (100-30)/2 = 35

John Welvins
Sep 14, 2014

x²+y²=30; x+y=100; xy=?

(x+y)²=10² => x²+2xy+y²=100;

x²+y²+70=30+70 => x²+y²+70=100;

x²+2xy+y²=x²+y²+70 => 2xy=x²+y²+70-x²-y² => 2xy=70 => xy=70/2 => xy=35

Yuri Campelo
Aug 23, 2014

We know that (x+y)² =10² --> x²+2xy+y²=100 --> xy = [100 - (x²+y²)]/2, because x²+y² = 30; --> xy = (100 - 30)/2 = 35

Ranjith Nrjk
Aug 21, 2014

Squaring on both sides to x+y=10 and sub x^2+y^2=30

Yashraj Chouhan
Aug 20, 2014

(x+y)^2-2xy=30 (10)^2-2xy=30 100-30=2xy →xy=35

Gooddd.... Mantapp

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