Ellipse and the Right Angle

Geometry Level 4

Below is the graph of the ellipse x 2 16 + y 2 9 = 1 \large\frac{x^2}{16}+\frac{y^2}{9}=1 and two lines that are tangent to the ellipse and meet at right angles at a point P . P. If we trace out the path of P , P, its total length can be expressed as k π . k\pi. What is k ? k?


The answer is 10.

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9 solutions

David Vreken
Jan 15, 2018

In this problem, the path of P P is an orthoptic , the set of points for which two tangents of a given curve meet at a right angle, and the orthoptic for an ellipse in the form of x 2 a 2 + y 2 b 2 = 1 \frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1 is a circle with the equation x 2 + y 2 = a 2 + b 2 x^2 + y^2 = a^2 + b^2 . In this problem, since the ellipse has an equation of x 2 16 + y 2 9 = 1 \frac{x^2}{16} + \frac{y^2}{9} = 1 , a = 4 a = 4 and b = 3 b = 3 , so the path of P follows a circle with the equation x 2 + y 2 = 4 2 + 3 2 x^2 + y^2 = 4^2 + 3^2 or x 2 + y 2 = 25 x^2 + y^2 = 25 , which has a radius r = 25 = 5 r = \sqrt{25} = 5 and a circumference of C = 2 π r = 2 π 5 = 10 π C = 2 \pi r = 2 \pi 5 = 10 \pi . Therefore, k = 10 k = \boxed{10} .


We can also prove this without knowing the orthoptic shortcut. Using implicit differentiation on x 2 16 + y 2 9 = 1 \frac{x^2}{16} + \frac{y^2}{9} = 1 gives x 8 + 2 y 9 y = 0 \frac{x}{8} + \frac{2y}{9}y' = 0 , which simplifies to y = 9 x 16 y y' = -\frac{9x}{16y} , and is the slope of the curve m = y m = y' at any point ( x , y ) (x, y) . Let ( p , q ) (p, q) and ( r , s ) (r, s) be points on the ellipse such that their tangent are perpendicular. Then the equation of the tangent line at a point ( p , q ) (p, q) is y q = 9 p 16 q ( x p ) y - q = -\frac{9p}{16q}(x - p) , and the equation of the tangent line at a point ( r , s ) (r, s) is y s = 9 r 16 s ( x r ) y - s = -\frac{9r}{16s}(x - r) . Now, if ( p , q ) (p, q) and ( r , s ) (r, s) have tangents that are perpendicular to each other, m 1 m 2 = 1 m_1m_2 = -1 , or ( 9 p 16 q ) ( 9 r 16 s ) = 1 (-\frac{9p}{16q})(-\frac{9r}{16s}) = -1 . Using this and the fact that ( r , s ) (r, s) is on the ellipse so r 2 16 + s 2 9 = 1 \frac{r^2}{16} + \frac{s^2}{9} = 1 gives r = ± 1 6 2 q 9 3 p 2 + 1 6 3 q 2 r = \pm \frac{16^2q}{\sqrt{9^3p^2 + 16^3q^2}} and s = 9 2 p 9 3 p 2 + 1 6 3 q 2 s = \mp \frac{9^2p}{\sqrt{9^3p^2 + 16^3q^2}} . Solving the two tangent line equations for x x and y y gives x = ± 16 q 9 3 p 2 + 1 6 3 q 2 + 9 2 16 p 9 2 p 2 + 1 6 2 q 2 x = \frac{\pm 16q\sqrt{9^3p^2 + 16^3q^2} + 9^2 16p}{9^2p^2 + 16^2q^2} and y = 9 p 9 3 p 2 + 1 6 3 q 2 + 1 6 2 9 q 9 2 p 2 + 1 6 2 q 2 y = \frac{\mp 9p\sqrt{9^3p^2 + 16^3q^2} + 16^2 9q}{9^2p^2 + 16^2q^2} , and x 2 + y 2 x^2 + y^2 simplifies (with a lot of effort) to 25 25 . Once again, we see that the path of P follows a circle with the equation x 2 + y 2 = 25 x^2 + y^2 = 25 , which has a radius r = 25 = 5 r = \sqrt{25} = 5 and a circumference of C = 2 π r = 2 π 5 = 10 π C = 2 \pi r = 2 \pi 5 = 10 \pi . Therefore, k = 10 k = \boxed{10} .

Michael Mendrin
Jan 15, 2018

Given any slope s s of one of the tangents, we can solve for x x the following two equations

3 4 16 x 2 = s x + a \dfrac{3}{4}\sqrt{16-x^2}=sx+a
4 3 9 x 2 = 1 s x + b \dfrac{4}{3}\sqrt{9-x^2}=-\dfrac{1}{s}x+b

From these, we get the conditions for the lines to be tangent to the ellipse

a = 16 + 9 s 2 a=\sqrt{16+9s^2}
b = 1 s 9 + 16 s 2 b=\dfrac{1}{s}\sqrt{9+16s^2}

From these, we can find the coordinates of the intersection of the two tangent lines

x = 1 1 + s 2 ( s 16 + 9 s 2 + 9 + 16 s 2 ) x=\dfrac{1}{1+s^2} \left( -s\sqrt{16+9s^2} + \sqrt{9+16s^2}\right)
y = s x + 16 + 9 s 2 y=sx+\sqrt{16+9s^2}

Then if we find the distance from this point to the origin ( 0 , 0 ) \left(0,0\right) , we find that

x 2 + y 2 = 5 \sqrt{x^2+y^2}=5

Hence the locus is a circle of radius 5 5 , and the answer is k = 10 k=10

I was unclear on what it meant by 'path'. Could someone explain? Much appreciated.

William Kennedy - 3 years, 4 months ago
Pepper Mint
Jan 4, 2018

Let me propose a problem.

Q. When the product of the slopes of 2 tangential on the ellipse x 2 a 2 + y 2 b 2 = 1 \large\frac{x^2}{a^2} +\frac{y^2}{b^2} =1 from dot P ( p , q ) P(p,q) outside of the curve is α , \alpha, equate α α using a , b , p , and q . a, b, p, \quad \text{and} \quad q.

|Solution|

We can think of the circle x 2 + y 2 = a 2 x^2+y^2=a^2 , made by multiplying a b \frac{a}{b} on y y -coordinate.

Multiply a b \frac{a}{b} on the y y -coordinate of dot P P , and define a new dot P ( p , a b q ) . P'(p,\frac{a}{b} q).

The tangential on the circle x 2 + y 2 = a 2 x^2+y^2=a^2 from dot P P’ is y = m ( x p ) + a b q . y=m(x-p)+\frac{a}{b} q.

The distance from zero point to the dot of contact d d is equal to a a , so d = m p + a b q m 2 + 1 = a . d=\frac{|-mp+\frac{a}{b} q|}{\sqrt{m^2+1}}=a.

Simplified, a 2 m 2 + a 2 = m 2 p 2 2 m a b p q + a 2 b 2 q 2 , m 2 ( p 2 a 2 ) 2 m a b p q + ( a b ) 2 ( q 2 b 2 ) = 0. a^2 m^2+a^2=m^2 p^2-\frac{2ma}{b} pq+\frac{a^2}{b^2} q^2, \quad m^2 (p^2-a^2 )-\frac{2ma}{b} pq+(\frac{a}{b})^2 (q^2-b^2 )=0.

This is the quadratic equation on m m , and the product of every possible m m is ( a b ) 2 ( q 2 b 2 p 2 a 2 ) . \large(\frac{a}{b})^2 (\frac{q^2-b^2}{p^2-a^2}).

Since we’d multiplied a b \frac{a}{b} on the y y -coordinate, product of the 2 slopes of the tangential on the circle x 2 + y 2 = a 2 x^2+y^2=a^2 from dot P P’ is ( a b ) 2 α . (\frac{a}{b})^2 α.

Thus, α = q 2 b 2 p 2 a 2 . α=\large\frac{q^2-b^2}{p^2-a^2}.

|Application|

Since α p 2 α a 2 = q 2 b 2 , α p 2 q 2 = α a 2 b 2 , αp^2-αa^2=q^2-b^2, αp^2-q^2=αa^2-b^2, trace of dot P ( p , q ) P(p,q) is the quadratic curves.

We need only to observe when α = 1 \alpha=-1 .

Since p 2 a 2 = b 2 q 2 , p 2 + q 2 = a 2 + b 2 , p^2-a^2=b^2-q^2, p^2+q^2=a^2+b^2, the trace of the dot P P is a circle of which the center is the dot O ( 0 , 0 ) O(0,0) and the radius is a 2 + b 2 . \sqrt{a^2+b^2}.

In this case, a 2 + b 2 = 5 , a^2+b^2=5, and thus the dot P P moves along the circle x 2 + y 2 = 25 x^2+y^2=25 . Therefore, the length of P P 's trace is 10 π 10\pi , and the value of k k is 10 \boxed{10} .

How do you deduce the equation of the circle?

Zain Majumder - 3 years, 5 months ago

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Ashutosh Sharma
Jan 16, 2018

basically the locus of point P comes out as x^2+y^2=a^2+b^2 where a and b are length of semi major axis and semi minor axis respectively of giveen ellipse. hence perimeter =2piR where r=(a^2+b^2)^(1/2) which equals 10pi. note here a=4 and b=3

Let y = k x + n y=kx+n be tangent to the given ellipse. The condition for this is 16 k 2 + 9 = n 2 16k^2+9=n^2 . So 16 k 2 + 9 = ( y k x ) 2 16k^2+9=(y-kx)^2 . The equation of the tangent orthogonal to the ellipse is y = x k + m y=-\dfrac xk+m , with 16 k 2 + 9 = m 2 \dfrac{16}{k^2}+9=m^2 . So 16 k 2 + 9 = ( y + x k ) 2 \dfrac{16}{k^2}+9=\Big(y+\dfrac xk\Big)^2 . Eliminating k k from two equations, we obtain x 6 + 3 x 4 y 2 39 x 4 + 3 x 2 y 4 50 x 2 y 2 + 399 x 2 + y 6 11 y 4 301 y 2 1225 = 0 x^6+3 x^4 y^2-39 x^4+3 x^2 y^4-50 x^2 y^2+399x^2+y^6-11 y^4-301 y^2-1225=0 , i.e. ( x 2 + y 2 25 ) ( ( x 2 7 ) 2 + 2 x 2 y 2 + y 4 + 14 y 2 ) = 0 (x^2+y^2-25)((x^2-7)^2+2 x^2 y^2+y^4+14 y^2)=0 . Considering that ( x 2 7 ) 2 + 2 x 2 y 2 + y 4 + 14 y 2 > 0 (x^2-7)^2+2 x^2 y^2+y^4+14 y^2>0 , there follows x 2 + y 2 = 25 x^2+y^2=25 , which is the circle equation with r = 5 r=5 , and its circumference is 10 π 10\pi . So the required value is 10 10 .

Robin Karle
Jan 18, 2018

P is roughly extending to 5 on either axis Cause graph is an ellipse there it won't pass x or y axis without the lines loosing contact 5 + 5 is 10

The locus of pt P will be a director circle of the ellipse. Eqn of director circle will be (x^2+y^2)= a^2+b^2. So radius will be √(9+16)=5. So length= 2πr=10π. K=10.

Shardul Maurya
Jan 16, 2018

The locus is a circle called the 'director circle' whose equation is represented as x^2 + y^2 = a^2 + b^2. Here a=5 and b=3 so radius comes out to be 5 and circumference 10π

Regis Kopper
Jan 15, 2018

The trajectory denoted by P is a circle with radius 5, thus the circumference is 10 π \pi .

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