An electric field line leaves a positive charge at an angle of 6 0 ∘ and enters a negative charge at an angle of θ . These angles are measured from the straight line joining the two charges.
The magnitude of the positive charge is 4 times the magnitude of the negative charge.
What is θ ?
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@Digvijay Singh does your argument work if the circle is so far away from the charge like in the picture? I think some clarity on what the regions A ( ϕ i ) are would help people understand your argument.
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I think we don't need to draw the circle, a simple argument that the field line emitted at an angle α from the positive charge enters at an angle β in the negative charge. Thus, all the field lines that are emitted within the solid angle 2 π ( 1 − cos α ) will end up entering the negative charge within the solid angle 2 π ( 1 − cos β ) .
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I don't see the purpose of the circle A as it's described here. I think this approach is clearer if you motivate it by looking at the region in the neighborhood of one charge or the other, in that case flux lines come out uniformly in all directions and you can cleanly calculate flux as ( field due to Q i ) × ( area of spherical cap of angle θ i ) .
...maybe I'm just tired, but this does NOT look like an intermediate level problem... >_0
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It's beyond me as well. I know nothing about charges and such but just looking at the diagram if Beta gets to 180 deg. something had to go backwards somewhere. Sorry for my ignorance.
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Yes, it comes into the negative charge from behind. You can use this tool to visualize the field: http://www.flashphysics.org/electricField.html
+1 doesn’t feel intermediate because it was not preceded by simpler beginner problems (at least not for me, clicking through to this section from the daily email)
@Digvijay Singh are u kV teacher
Why should flux entering A be equal to flux leaving A ?
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Because electric field lines are continuous.
it's like a water pipe - what goes in must come out
How do you calculate $\phi {\alpha}$ and $\phi {\beta}$? The electric field is not uniform on the flat surface $A$.
This might sound weird but the diagram helped me visualise it, with the magnitude being 4 times as large, the negative should resist, so the charge hast to take the most efficient path to transfer. I'm very good and fast with simple math, but this level I just cant comprehend. I just seem to have this way of visualising the concept of a physical action that helps me get quite a few of these right. I can't decide if it's satisfying or annoying.
How is this a basic problem?
Standard bookwork tells us that the equation of a field-line between the two charges is given by the equation 4 q cos θ 1 − q cos θ 2 = c where θ 1 is the angle formed by the line from a point on the field line to the charge 4 q and the line joining the charges, and θ 2 is the angle formed by the line from a point on the field line to the charge − q and the line joining the charges.
When the field-line enters the 4 q charge, we that θ 1 = 6 0 ∘ and θ 2 = 1 8 0 ∘ . Thus c = 3 q . When the field-line enters the other charge, we have θ 1 = 0 ∘ , and so 4 q − q cos θ 2 = 3 q . Thus cos θ 2 = 1 , and hence θ 2 = 0 ∘ , and hence θ = 1 8 0 ∘ .
One person's standard bookwork is another person's exhilarating breakthrough...
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I set out the bookwork a number of years ago here , and have referred to it in a number of problems since...
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It is still as beautiful as the last time I read it!
Can you please give me some material to this topic ?
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If you look at my reply to Josh, you will find a link to a very old question. I proved how to derive formulae like this one there...
The flux density emerging from the positive charge is 4 times the flux density entering the negative charge. Integrating the solid angle made by all angles less than 60 degrees out of the positive charge gives an area of pi, or one quarter of a sphere. Thus all flux lines in this region enter the negative charge, while all others do not. The line at 60 degrees from the axis must therefore enter the negative charge at the most distant possible point - 180 degrees
Very simple and captures the essence of the result.
thanks for the visualisation
I tried a numerical approach. I.e. plotting the path whose direction is determined by the field strength. This led me to a discovery (obvious when known) then there is a region with almost no net field on the right of -Q and the same distance from -Q as the spatial separation of the charges (and twice that from +4Q). Essentially if α = 6 0 o − ϵ the field line approaches from the right with β < 1 8 0 . If α = 6 0 o + ϵ then the field line does not travel to -Q. Therefore if α = 6 0 o then the field line approaches with β = 1 8 0 o
It should be noted that d α d β is immense in the region where α ≈ 6 0 o
Thanks to Digvijay Singh, whilst I did not solve this with your elegance or rigour. I did gain an insight into what happens to the field lines in regions that are almost nulled out.
I was trying to visualize this with electric field line diagrams. I got it wrong by figuring there must be 2 times as many field lines from +4Q as from -Q. The solution implies 3 times as many field lines so I'm searching for an intuitive reason.
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/estatics/u8l4c16.gif
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In my understanding there are an uncountable number of field lines between the two charges. A field line is the path whose tangent vector at every point is the net electric field at that point. All field lines depart radially. All field lines that start with an angle between -60º and +60º at +4Q will end at -Q the others will tend to zero magnitude at large distances. HTH
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In the figure above, ′ A ′ is a circular region, which is also the base of cones with apex angles 2 α and 2 β . Let Ω α and Ω β be the solid angles subtended by the region A on the charges + Q 1 and − Q 2 respectively. Then, (Flux entering the region A) = ϕ α = (Flux leaving the region A) = ϕ β ⟹ 4 π Ω α ϵ 0 Q 1 = 4 π Ω β ϵ 0 Q 2 ⟹ 4 π 2 π ( 1 − cos α ) ϵ 0 Q 1 = 4 π 2 π ( 1 − cos β ) ϵ 0 Q 2 ⟹ 1 − cos β 1 − cos α = Q 1 Q 2 Putting Q 1 = 4 , Q 2 = 1 , α = 6 0 ∘ , β = θ ⟹ 1 − cos θ 1 − cos 6 0 ∘ = 4 1 ⟹ cos θ = − 1 ⟹ θ = 1 8 0 ∘