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Let a solid uniformly charged cone having total charge Q Q , radius R R and height H H is kept in contact with uniformly charged wire having charge per unit length λ \lambda as shown. Then calculate the electric interaction force between them and report your answer to nearest integer.

Details and Assumptions

Q = 1 C R = 1 m H = 1 m λ = 1 0 9 C m 1 1 4 π ϵ = 9 × 1 0 9 N m C 2 \begin{aligned} Q & = & 1 C \\ R & = & 1m \\ H & = & 1m \\ \lambda & = & 10^{-9} Cm^{-1} \\ \frac {1}{4\pi \epsilon} & = & 9 \times 10^9 Nm C^{-2} \\ \end{aligned}

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The answer is 17.

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2 solutions

Ronak Agarwal
Mar 3, 2015

Nice Problem, Loved working on it.

From the image I belive it is clear how I have taken elements and what are my variables.

Now I am using a result,that electric field on a point on the axis at a distance z z due to a charged disk having radius a a and charge q q is given by :

E = q 2 π ε 0 a 2 ( 1 z z 2 + a 2 ) \displaystyle E = \frac { q }{ 2\pi { \varepsilon }_{ 0 }{ a }^{ 2 } } (1-\frac { z }{ \sqrt { { z }^{ 2 }+{ a }^{ 2 } } } )

Now force on a elemental charged length d x dx of wire due elemental charge on the disk element is given by :

d 2 F = λ H 2 d x d q 2 π ε 0 ( R ( 1 y ) ) 2 ( 1 x + y ( x + y ) 2 + ( ( 1 y ) R H ) 2 ) \displaystyle {d}^{2}F = \dfrac { \lambda { H }^{ 2 }dxdq }{ 2\pi { \varepsilon }_{ 0 }{ (R(1-y)) }^{ 2 } } (1-\dfrac { x+y }{ \sqrt { { (x+y) }^{ 2 }+{ \left(\dfrac { (1-y)R }{ H } \right) }^{ 2 } } } )

Now d q = π ρ d y ( R ( 1 y ) H ) 2 \displaystyle dq=\pi \rho dy{ \left(\dfrac { R(1-y) }{ H } \right) }^{ 2 }

Putting this we have :

d 2 F = λ ρ 2 ε 0 ( 1 x + y ( x + y ) 2 + ( ( 1 y ) R H ) 2 ) d x d y \displaystyle {d}^{2}F = \frac { \lambda \rho }{ 2{ \varepsilon }_{ 0 } } (1-\frac { x+y }{ \sqrt { { (x+y) }^{ 2 }+{ \left(\dfrac { (1-y)R }{ H } \right) }^{ 2 } } } )dxdy

Finally we get the expression of F F as :

F = λ ρ 2 ε 0 0 H 0 ( 1 x + y ( x + y ) 2 + ( ( 1 y ) R H ) 2 ) d x d y \displaystyle F = \dfrac { \lambda \rho }{ 2{ \varepsilon }_{ 0 } } \int _{ 0 }^{ H }{ \int _{ 0 }^{ \infty }{ (1-\dfrac { x+y }{ \sqrt { { (x+y) }^{ 2 }+{ \left(\dfrac { (1-y)R }{ H } \right) }^{ 2 } } } )dxdy } }

Putting the value of ρ \rho we get :

F = 3 λ Q 2 π ε 0 R 2 H 0 H 0 ( 1 x + y ( x + y ) 2 + ( ( 1 y ) R H ) 2 ) d x d y \displaystyle F = \dfrac { 3\lambda Q }{ 2\pi { \varepsilon }_{ 0 }{ R }^{ 2 }H } \int _{ 0 }^{ H }{ \int _{ 0 }^{ \infty }{ (1-\dfrac { x+y }{ \sqrt { { (x+y) }^{ 2 }+{ \left(\dfrac { (1-y)R }{ H } \right) }^{ 2 } } } )dxdy } }

Putting all the values and simplifying we get :

F = 54 0 1 0 ( 1 x + y ( x + y ) 2 + ( 1 y ) 2 ) d x d y F = \displaystyle 54\int _{ 0 }^{ 1 }{ \int _{ 0 }^{ \infty }{ (1-\frac { x+y }{ \sqrt { { (x+y) }^{ 2 }+{ (1-y) }^{ 2 } } } )dxdy } }

F = 27 l n ( 1 + 2 ) 2 = 16.82 N F = \dfrac { 27ln(1+\sqrt{2}) }{ \sqrt { 2 } } = 16.82 N

Since you asked to round to the nearest integer hence the answer is 17 17

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A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 5 months ago

Hey that should be force per unit length.for calculating the force we need atleast 2 magnitude of charges if lambda is given so must the length be.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago
Mvs Saketh
Mar 4, 2015

Amazing problem, refreshed a lot of my concepts in one go!

Except i did it by using the electric field of a wire instead of the cones,

the electric field paralell to the wire of a semi infinite wire is given by

k λ s i n ( θ ) h \displaystyle{ \frac {k\lambda sin(\theta)}{h}}

where λ \lambda is the charge density and h is the distance from the axes, and θ \theta is the angle shown in figure as x x

if we are dealing with a ring of radius R concentric with the axis of the wire, then h = R

so the electric force on a ring of radius R is

E × 2 π R × λ 2 E\times 2\pi R \times \lambda_{2}

λ λ 2 s i n ( θ ) 2 ϵ \displaystyle{ \frac {\lambda \lambda_{2} sin(\theta)}{2\epsilon}}

where λ 2 \lambda_{2} is the linear charge density of ring

If the ring is actually a small part of a disc whose surface charge density is σ \sigma , Then since λ 2 = σ d r \lambda_{2}=\sigma dr then the force of interaction is given by

σ λ [ s i n ( θ ) ] d r ] 2 ϵ \dfrac {\sigma \lambda[sin(\theta)]dr]}{2\epsilon}

Now we are ready to deal with the c o n e cone

Now to make things treatable, let us right sin ( θ ) \sin(\theta) interms of distance of the disc from the tip of wire,

using the fact that s i n ( θ ) = R R 2 + z 2 \displaystyle{sin(\theta)\quad =\quad \frac { R }{ \sqrt { { R }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 } } } }

we rewrite the previous expression for a fixed z as

0 R ( σ λ 2 ϵ R R 2 + z 2 ) d r = σ λ 2 ϵ ( R 2 + z 2 z ) \displaystyle{\int _{ 0 }^{ R }{ (\frac { \sigma \lambda }{ 2\epsilon } \frac { R }{ \sqrt { { R }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 } } } ) } dr\quad =\frac { \sigma \lambda }{2\epsilon} (\sqrt { { R }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 } } -z)\quad }

Now we are ready,

finally, the surface charge density of the thin disc is related to that of the cone by the formula

ρ d z = σ \rho dz=\sigma

also R which is the radius of the thin disc can be written in terms of z as

R = t a n ( α ) ( H z ) R=tan(\alpha) (H-z) where ' α \alpha ' is the half angle

so substituting this and putting proper limits, we get the integral (H is the height of cone)

0 H λ ρ 2 ε [ ( H z ) 2 t a n ( α ) 2 + z 2 z ] \displaystyle{\\ \int _{ 0 }^{ H }{ \frac { \lambda \rho }{ 2\varepsilon } } [\sqrt { (H-z)^{ 2 }{ tan(\alpha) }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 } } -z]\quad }

Now putting H=1 and tan ( α ) \displaystyle \tan(\alpha) =1

and also that ρ = 3 Q π R 2 H \displaystyle{\rho \quad =\quad 3\frac { Q }{ \pi { R }^{ 2 }H } \quad }

W e g e t t h e a n s w e r a s \displaystyle\color{grey}{We\quad get\quad the\quad answer\quad as} 16.794 \boxed{16.794}

since nearest integer is asked, Final answer is 16.794 = 17 \displaystyle\boxed{\lceil 16.794 \rceil= {17}}

Thanks for taking Time for writing Solution !

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Hey, i have learnt latex and now have updated all symbols in answer as you can see, but can you tell how to avoid using /quad again and again in texts

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

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