Electrostatic repulsion in a charged ring

Consider a homogeneous ring of radius R R made of a thin wire of cross section A A ( R 2 A R^{2} \gg A ). A Charge Q 1 = 10 μ C Q_{1}=10\mu\mbox{C} , uniformly distributed over the ring, broke it apart due to electrostatic repulsion. An engineer decides to design a ring (with the same dimensions) made of a material 10 times more resistant. What minimum charge Q 2 Q_{2} in μ C \mu \mbox{C} breaks the new ring?


The answer is 31.6.

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5 solutions

Jiahai Feng
May 20, 2014

The short answer: The Coulumb's Law states that the electric force is related to Q 2 r 2 \frac{Q^2}{r^2} , where Q Q is the charge and r r is the distance between the two charges. In this case, since the circle remains the same size and dimension, r r can be treated as a constant. And since Q 2 Q^2 is proportional to f f , when f f is increased by a factor of 10, Q Q is increased by a factor of 10 \sqrt{10} , and the answer is thus Q 10 μ C = 10 10 μ C Q\sqrt{10}μC = 10\sqrt{10}μC or 31.6 μ C 31.6μC

For those who think that the above isn't rigorous, the proof that Q 2 Q^2 is proportional to force is as follows: Since the cross section of the ring is small, we can approximate the ring as a circle. By symmetry, the force pushing on any small segment of the ring will be pointing radially away from the ring.

We first consider the Electric field acting on any given point on the ring, which is given by 0 2 π k σ x 2 cos ( p i θ 2 ) d θ \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{k\sigma}{x^2}*\cos(\frac{pi-\theta}{2}) \mathrm{d}\theta where σ = Q / ( 2 π r ) \sigma = Q/ (2\pi r) is the charge density, x x is the distance between the point at θ = 0 \theta = 0 and another point. By cosine rule, x 2 = 2 r 2 2 r 2 cos θ x^2 = 2r^2 - 2r^2 \cos \theta .

Substituting and integrating, we find that E = k Q 2 r 2 16 3 E = \frac{kQ}{2r^2} * \frac{16}{3} . Since F = E Q = 8 k Q 2 3 r 2 F = EQ = \frac{8kQ^2}{3r^2} , the force is thus proportional to Q 2 Q^2 .

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David Mattingly Staff - 7 years ago

here we confuse what type of resistance

Akv Vka - 6 years, 8 months ago

That was awesome, unlike all our cheap tricks of using proportionality to solve it.

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 8 months ago

Awesome and Complete solution (+1) ! ( I also used Proportionality :P)

Aniket Sanghi - 4 years, 7 months ago

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Wait ! I doubt , is integrating this giving the answer ? @Prakhar Bindal (you also check it Bro! )

Aniket Sanghi - 4 years, 7 months ago

Isn't the integration leading to undefined terms ? @David Mattingly @Jiahai Feng

Ankit Kumar Jain - 3 years, 1 month ago
David Mattingly Staff
May 13, 2014

Consider the electrostatic force between the halves of the ring. Right before the ring breaks we can write T = 1 2 F T=\frac{1}{2} F where T T is the tension of the ring and F F is the interaction force between the semi-rings. The force F F could be, in principle, computed by integration. However, we do not to know the exact relation between F F , Q Q and R R . It suffices to realize that it must be of the form: F = Q 2 R 2 . F= \propto \frac{Q^{2}}{R^{2}}.
Now, we can write T 2 T 1 = Q 2 2 Q 1 2 \frac{T_{2}}{T_{1}}=\frac{Q_{2}^2}{Q_{1}^{2}} which implies Q 2 = T 2 T 1 Q 1 = 10 Q 1 = 31.6 μ C Q_{2}=\sqrt{\frac{T_{2}}{T_{1}}} Q_{1}=\sqrt{10} Q_{1}=31.6 \mu\mbox{C} .

energy and hence the force acting for any system is proportional to square of the charge.when the ring becomes ten times resistant force required to break becomes ten times and hence minimum charge must increase by a factor of square root of ten which is 3.16 hence the result 31.6 μC.

José Neto
May 20, 2014

We know that the repulsion that cause the ring to brake is dependent of the square of the charge on it. So we have that

F 2/F 1 = (Q 2/Q 1)^2 = 10

Q 2 = sqrt(10)Q 1 = 31.6E-6 Coulumb

Mvs Saketh
Oct 8, 2014

The interesting thing is we dont have to derive tension formula,,,

it is fairly obvious as the tension arises from electrical interactions,, obviously it will be of the form

T= some constant times kq^2/r^2

this if the breaking tension becomes 10 T,, then q becomes root(10) times more,,, thus 31.6

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