Ellipses are trickier than Circles

Geometry Level 4

Consider an ellipse with semi-axes 4 and 2. What is the maximum area of a triangle with two vertices A and B on the ellipse and one vertex C at the center of the ellipse, such that the side AB has a length of 3?


The answer is 4.

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3 solutions

Just to get the conversation started, here is an outline of my approach.

First note that in a circle of radius r r , the largest triangle with one vertex at the center of the circle that can be placed inside the circle is right-angled, and thus has area r 2 2 . \dfrac{r^{2}}{2}. The ratio of the area of this triangle and the area of the circle is then 1 2 π . \dfrac{1}{2\pi}.

Now as an ellipse is just a linear transformation of a circle, this ratio will be preserved for the similar scenario with the ellipse, (although the triangle may no longer be right-angled). Since in general the area of an ellipse is π a b , \pi ab, where a a and b b are the lengths of the semi-major and semi-minor axes, respectively, we see that our ellipse has an area of 8 π , 8\pi, and thus the largest possible triangle with one vertex at the center C C of the ellipse will have an area of 4. 4. We now have an upper bound for the answer to this question.

But now we must deal with the condition that A B = 3. |AB| = 3. Guessing at a symmetric solution, I looked at the triangles formed when A B AB was either horizontal or vertical. The vertical case proved to yield the largest triangle, so I will look at that calculation only. With the y y coordinates for A A and B B being 3 2 \frac{3}{2} and 3 2 -\frac{3}{2} respectively, we find that the corresponding x x coordinates are such that

x 2 16 + 9 4 4 = 1 x 2 = 7 x = ± 7 , \dfrac{x^{2}}{16} + \dfrac{\frac{9}{4}}{4} = 1 \Longrightarrow x^{2} = 7 \Longrightarrow x = \pm \sqrt{7},

where it was assumed that the major axis lay along the x x -axis and the ellipse was centered at the origin. The area of Δ A B C \Delta ABC is then 3 7 2 = 3.97 \dfrac{3\sqrt{7}}{2} = 3.97 to 2 decimal places. Since the answer field required an integer answer I entered 4 4 as my answer, but I have yet to determine if this area value can be achieved under the given restriction of A B = 3. |AB| = 3. My next attempt was going to apply vectors, i.e., A = 1 2 a b sin ( θ ) A = \frac{1}{2}|a||b|\sin(\theta) and then do some calculus, but an initial attempt proved to be unwieldy.

To be continued .....

A lucid solution as we have come to expect from you, with a tiny step missing at the end, as you said. Thank you!

Just a hint: You dont have to find a triangle with the required property; you just have to show that such a triangle exists.

Otto Bretscher - 6 years, 1 month ago
Arnab Bose
Aug 6, 2015

We can assume from the problem that the coordinates of the vertices of the triangle are (4 cos alpha,2 sin alpha), (4 cos beta,2 sin beta) and (0,0).Now the area of the triangle with these vertices is coming as 4 cos(alpha - beta), whose maximum value is 4, irrespective of the magnitude of side AB

Otto Bretscher
May 11, 2015

I'm building on Brian's solution, trying to fill in the small gap at the end.

Let's say the circle is given by u 2 + v 2 = 4 u^2+v^2=4 , and we consider the linear transformation T ( u , v ) = ( 2 u , v ) T(u,v)=(2u,v) over to the ellipse, which doubles areas. We need to show that there exists a right triangle A B O A'B'O , with two vertices A A' and B B' on the circle and the third vertex at the origin, such that the side A B AB of the corresponding triangle in the ellipse has length 3. Since the length of A B A'B' is 8 \sqrt{8} , we need a scaling factor of 3 8 \frac{3}{\sqrt{8}} under transformation T T .

Now the scaling factor for horizontal line segments in the uv-plane is 2, and it is 1 for vertical line segments. It stands to reason, "by continuity", that all scaling factors between 1 and 2 are attained, including the one we need, 3 8 \frac{3}{\sqrt{8}} .

We can make this argument rigorous: If a line segment in the uv-plane makes an angle θ \theta with the u-axis, it is not hard to see that the scaling factor is 3 cos 2 θ + 1 \sqrt{3\cos^2\theta+1} , a continuous function whose range is [ 1 , 2 ] [1,2] , proving our claim.

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