Empty the vessel

A cylindrical vessel with radius 90 cm 90 \text{ cm} filled with 3-meter deep water is sitting on a tower, as shown in the diagram. The vessel has a hole on the bottom with a cross-sectional area of 6.3 cm 2 6.3 \text{ cm}^2 .

How long (in minutes) will it take before the vessel is completely drained through the hole?

Assume that the gravitational acceleration is g = 9.8 m/s 2 . g = 9.8 \text{ m/s}^2.


The answer is 52.7.

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Relevant wiki: Conservation of Energy

Equating potential energy and kinetic energy in a short time period Δ t \Delta t when the height of the water is h h and the water flow velocity is v v :

Δ m g h = 1 2 Δ m v 2 where Δ m is mass of water discharged in Δ t . ρ Δ V g h = 1 2 ρ Δ V v 2 ρ = water density , Δ m = volume of water discharged in Δ t . g h = 1 2 v 2 v = 2 g h \begin{aligned} \Delta m g h & = \frac 12 \Delta m v^2 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{where }\Delta m \text{ is mass of water discharged in }\Delta t. \\ \rho \Delta Vgh & = \frac 12\rho \Delta V v^2 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \rho = \text{water density}, \Delta m = \text{ volume of water discharged in }\Delta t.\\ gh & = \frac 12 v^2 \\ \implies v & = \sqrt {2gh} \end{aligned}

Let the radius of the vessel be r r and the cross-sectional area of the outlet be A A . Then, we have:

Δ V = π r 2 Δ h = A v Δ t d h d t = A v π r 2 Note that v = 2 g h = A 2 g h π r 2 d h h = A 2 g π r 2 d t 2 h = A 2 g π r 2 t + C h = C A π r 2 g 2 t where C is the constant of integration. 3 = C when t = 0 , h = 3 0 = 3 A π r 2 g 2 t t = π r 2 A 6 g 3160.508 s 52.7 min. \begin{aligned} \Delta V = \pi r^2 \Delta h & = Av \Delta t \\ \implies - \frac {dh}{dt} & = \frac {A\color{#3D99F6}v}{\pi r^2} & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Note that }v = \sqrt {2gh} \\ & = \frac {A\color{#3D99F6}\sqrt{2gh}}{\pi r^2} \\ - \int \frac {dh}{\sqrt h} & = \int \frac {A\sqrt{2g}}{\pi r^2} dt \\ - 2\sqrt h & = \frac {A\sqrt{2g}}{\pi r^2}t + C \\ \sqrt h & = {\color{#3D99F6}C} - \frac A{\pi r^2}\sqrt{\frac g2} t & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{where }C \text{ is the constant of integration.} \\ \sqrt 3 & = C & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{when }t = 0, \ h = 3 \\ \implies \sqrt 0 & = \sqrt 3 - \frac A{\pi r^2}\sqrt{\frac g2} t \\ \implies t & = \frac {\pi r^2}A \sqrt{\frac 6g} \\ & \approx 3160.508 \text{ s} \\ & \approx \boxed{52.7} \text{ min.} \end{aligned}

Nice solution!

Munem Shahriar - 3 years, 8 months ago

I got t = π r 2 A 2 h 0 g . t=\dfrac{\pi r^2}{A}\cdot\sqrt{\dfrac{2h_0}{g}}.

I forgot to multiply π \pi at the end.

Fml.

Boi (보이) - 3 years, 8 months ago

A question about the first energy conservation steps. This analysis (resulting in the familiar v = sqrt[2gh] ) seems to treat the water at the top of the tank as stationary with no KE. But the continuity equation says A1 v1 = A2 v2, so motion at the outlet requires motion (and thus KE) at the top surface of the tank. In fact, the entire volume of water must be in motion!

This motion would be essentially zero if the tank had an infinite surface area in comparison to the outlet. In this problem, the area of the tank is ~4000 times the area of the outlet.

Basic question: Are we justified in ignoring the areas of the tank and outlet when carrying out the energy conservation analysis? If so, why?

Matthew Feig - 3 years, 8 months ago
Zach Abueg
Sep 8, 2017

Relevant wiki: 2D Kinematics Problem-solving

Let the velocity of efflux be v = 2 g h = d x d t \displaystyle v = \sqrt{2gh} = \frac{dx}{dt} .

Now, A d h = a d x \displaystyle A \ dh = a \ dx , where A A and a a are the cross-sectional areas of the vessel and outlet respectively, and d h dh is the height of liquid in the vessel corresponding to d x dx in the outlet which decreases in same time d t dt . Thus,

A d h a d t = 2 g h A d h a 2 g h = d t A a 2 g 0 h d h h = 0 t d t t = A a 2 h g Δ t = 2 A a 2 g ( h 1 h 2 ) \begin{aligned} \frac{A \ dh}{a \ dt} & = \sqrt{2gh} \\ \implies \frac{A \ dh}{a \sqrt{2gh}} & = dt \\ \implies \frac{A}{a \sqrt{2g}} \int_0^h \frac{dh}{\sqrt{h}} & = \int_0^t dt \\ \implies t & = \frac Aa \sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}} \\ \implies \Delta t & = \frac{2A}{a \sqrt{2g}} \left(\sqrt{h_1} - \sqrt{h_2}\right) \end{aligned}

is the time in seconds required to empty the water from height h 1 h 2 h_1 \to h_2 in the vessel, where h 1 > h 2 h_1 > h_2 . Finding the respective values, we have

Δ t = 1 60 2 A a 2 g ( h 1 h 2 ) = 1 60 2 ( π × 0. 9 2 × 3 ) 0.00063 2 × 9.8 ( 3 0 ) 52.7 minutes \Delta t = \frac{1}{60} \frac{2A}{a \sqrt{2g}} \left(\sqrt{h_1} - \sqrt{h_2}\right) = \frac{1}{60} \frac{2\left(\pi \times 0.9^2 \times 3\right)}{0.00063\sqrt{2 \times 9.8}} \left(\sqrt{3} - \sqrt{0}\right) \approx \boxed{52.7} \ \text{minutes}

This assumes that no energy is converted to heat and vibrations of the liquid stream, etc. In the Engineering literature, the flow, as calculated above, is corrected by a Discharge coefficient C d. For a sharp edged hole, C d = 0.61 is listed here: https://www.haywardflowcontrol.com/images/flowcontrol/PDF/VessFlow.pdf

Kevin Lehmann - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Correct. This problem ideal fluids and flow.

Zach Abueg - 3 years, 8 months ago
Xinghong Fu
Sep 10, 2017

Question: As the water jet impacts onto the ground the vertical component of momentum should decrease in magnitude. Would this "collision" with the ground transmit a pressure through the jet to the outlet to impede the flow of water out from the bottom of the vessel?

The same as peeing on the ground. You don't become lighter. You only feel lighter.

Brian Sprague - 3 years, 8 months ago

Technically, this is Torricelli's theorem. The water never completely drains but asymptotically approaches zero

Stephen Garramone - 3 years, 8 months ago

Water is not solid. The momentum is equalized as water rebounds off the ground.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 8 months ago

These replies seem to think that the area of the water as it hits the ground is 6.3 cm. This is not the case. The stream becomes thinner as it falls. These replies also seem to think that the velocity is sqrt(2gh). Only the vertical component is. A very low viscosity fluid will have a horizontal component to its velocity.

If the viscosity of the water is theoretically zero, then the level of the water will fall at free-fall speed, irrespective of the size of the hole.

If the viscosity is not zero, then it requires force to push the fluid out through the hole. As the level of the fluid drops, the force ejecting the fluid drops in proportion. That force will velocity will decrease asymtopically towards zero. If we assume that the force required to express the fluid is proportional to the velocity, then I would expect to see a e^-at term in the integrals above. But irrespective of the actual force/velocity function involved in expressing the fluid, It will take an infinite amount of time for all of the fluid to get through the hole.

Paul Murray - 3 years, 8 months ago

Whilst I support the view (fact as I see it) that the trajectory of the water is irrelevant to the time taken. There is another factor which is how the water will emerge from the hole. If it comes out through a short section of pipe then the calculations will hold. If it emerges from a plain hole then water jet will not consist of a uniform parallel flow. This leads to an effect known as the "vena contracta" and the time will increase by a modest factor (about double ?).

Ed Sirett - 3 years, 8 months ago

Amit Itagi - 3 years, 8 months ago

Similar example, if you are 2m immediately under a hovering helicopter, you will feel the force of the air push you down. This is what keeps the helicopter hovering. But if the helicopter now horvers 200 m above you, you barely notice it. The momentum backwards from the flow hitting the ground dissipates quickly, but if you put your hand 2mm in front of The hole,. Maybe you affect the outflow rate

Guillermo Zamudio - 3 years, 6 months ago

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