Epsilon-delta Challenge

Calculus Level 1

For the function f ( x ) = 3 x 2 + 2 x + 1 , f(x) = 3x^2 + 2x + 1, Alice wants Bob to show that lim x 2 f ( x ) = 17 \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 2} f(x) = 17 using the ε \varepsilon - δ \delta definition of a limit.

Alice says, "I bet you can't choose a real number δ \delta so that for all x x in ( 2 δ , 2 + δ ) (2 - \delta, 2 + \delta) , we'll have that f ( x ) 17 < 0.5 \left|f(x) - 17\right| < 0.5 ."

Which of the following four choices is the largest δ \delta that Bob could give so that he completes Alice's challenge?

0.05 0.03 0.02 0.01

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8 solutions

John Rey Jimenez
Dec 26, 2015

This is a classical approach to limits. :)

From the problem, we shall extract the important details that could help us answer the question stated. Thus, 0 < x 2 < δ 0<|x-2|<\delta

f ( x ) = 3 x 2 + 2 x + 1 f(x)=3x^2 +2x+1 , and

f ( x ) 17 < 0.5 |f(x)-17|<0.5

First, we have to evaluate the latter given. f ( x ) 17 < 0.5 ) |f(x)-17|<0.5)

3 x 2 + 2 x + 1 17 < 0.5 |3x^2 +2x +1 -17|<0.5

3 x 2 + 2 x 16 < 0.5 |3x^2+2x-16|<0.5

( 3 x + 8 ) ( x 2 ) < 0.5 |(3x+8)(x-2)|<0.5

3 x + 8 x 2 < 0.5 |3x+8||x-2|<0.5

Obviously, from the strict inequality from the given, we can say that,

x 2 < δ |x-2|<\delta

and to get 3 x + 8 |3x+8|

δ < x 2 < δ -\delta<x-2<\delta

3 δ < 3 x 6 < 3 δ -3\delta<3x-6<3\delta

3 δ + 14 < 3 x + 8 < 3 δ + 14 -3\delta+14<3x+8<3\delta+14

3 x + 8 < 3 δ + 14 |3x+8|<3\delta+14

Hence,

3 x + 8 x 2 < 0.5 |3x+8||x-2|<0.5

( 3 δ + 14 ) ( δ ) < 0.5 (3\delta+14)(\delta)<0.5

3 δ 2 + 14 δ 0.5 < 0 3\delta^2+14\delta-0.5<0

Using Quadratic formula, we will get

4.70211 < x < 0.03544 -4.70211<x<0.03544

Ofcourse, 0 < x < δ 0<x<\delta

Thus,

0 < x < 0.03544 0<x<0.03544

and the nearest value to delta that falls under the continued inequality is 0.03 0.03

Can you explain the part "obviously"? Why can you take part of the equation |x-2| and set it to be smaller than 𝛿?

Koh Hui Soon - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Because it's a given value. by definition, we know that for some x, 0 < abs(x-2) < delta. Does that make sense?

The Division Guy Perry - 2 years, 8 months ago

to clarify what perry said, since (as question says) x can be (2-d, 2+d). Phrase this as an inequality to get 2-d<x<2+d. Now subtract 2 from all sides to get -d<x-2<d. Thus x-2<d

Ben Sutcliffe - 2 years ago

I'm not very good at calculus, but could you explain why you can replace 3x+8 and x-2 with larger values without breaking the inequality?

Zain Majumder - 4 years, 1 month ago

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What he has done is as follow; to obtain 3x, he has multiplied the entire inequality by 3, thus we have 3x-6, and the 3deltas.

to obtain 3x+8, he adds fourteen to the inequality, this gives us -3d+14<3x+8<3d+14.

Aaron Stewart - 4 years ago

Because for some delta greater than zero, |3delta + 14| |delta| < 0.5 will be a true statement. Since both |3x+8|<|3delta+14| and |x-2|<|delta| we arrive at |3x+8||x-2| < |3delta + 14||delta| < 0.5 and are now simply tasked with finding the largest value of delta which satisfies the right-hand inequality.

Anthony Lamanna - 2 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks! I'm better at calculus and realize that now :P

Zain Majumder - 2 years, 4 months ago

What justifies line 13: "(3delta + 14)(delta) < 0.5"? It does not follow from "|3x+8||x-2|<0.5" and "|3x+8|<(3delta+14)" and "|x-2|<(delta)"

Charles Murray - 3 years, 12 months ago

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this is late but firstly, we have just calculated that 3x-8=3d+14, so we can substitute it. Regarding the delta it is multiplied by, referring to the question, x can be any value between 2-d and 2+d. Therefore 2-d<x<2+d meaning that if we subtract 2 from all sides then we get -d<x-2<d As a result, x-2 is less than the maximum value for the delta so is a real value fr te dela. Hence it is substitued in- to sum up- as (3d+14)(d)<0.5 Kind regards, Ben

Ben Sutcliffe - 2 years ago

This is beautiful, thank you.

Aaron Stewart - 4 years ago

Where do you get the 14? Subtracting 3 from 17?

Jocelyn Woods - 3 years, 7 months ago

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He adds 14 to all 3 parts of the inequality

Edozié Izegbu - 3 years, 5 months ago

It's like I have a lil version of my math professor right her on my phone lol THX

Israel T - 2 years, 4 months ago

Hmm...Isn't it more simple to solve for the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x + 1 - 17.5 (using the quadratic formula) of which the positive root 2.035 is x+delta? To get delta we simple subtract 2 from 2.035 which gives us 0.035 which is approximately 0.03.

Not Karthik - 1 year, 6 months ago

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I see what you're saying. I used this way too.

Katherine Rosinski - 1 year, 4 months ago

Do you use the quadratic formula to solve for delta or for x? I get lost at the end

FLVK JVCKET - 1 year, 2 months ago

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He used it to find delta but x lies between the two values of delta obtained from the quadratic formula

Michelle Mugo - 5 months, 3 weeks ago
Andrew Ellinor
Dec 15, 2015

In order to ensure f ( x ) f(x) is no more than 0.5 units away from 17 for all x x on the interval ( 2 δ , 2 + δ ) , (2 - \delta, 2 + \delta), we will solve 3 x 2 + 2 x + 1 17 < 0.5. \left|3x^2 + 2x + 1 - 17\right| < 0.5.

Solving this inequality yields two intervals: 1.96401 < x < 2.03545 1.96401 < x < 2.03545 (the other interval does not capture x = 2 x = 2 , so we ignore it). The disparity from x = 2 x = 2 in this interval is roughly 0.035, so any choice of δ \delta less than this will be sufficient to respond to Alice's challenge. Out of the given answers, the largest is 0.03 . \boxed{0.03}.

Differential f'(2) = 20, hence change in f(x) over 2 δ 2\delta would be (40\delta).

Rajen Kapur - 5 years, 6 months ago

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f'(2)=6*2+2=14.

G Silb - 3 years, 4 months ago
Richard Shen
May 31, 2020

An alternative starting from the "obviously" part:

After obtaining the inequality

∣3x+8∣∣x−2∣< 0.5

We can divide both sides of the inequality by∣3x+8∣to get

∣x−2∣< 0.5 /∣3x+8∣

Since we know that

∣x−2∣< δ

We can LET δ = 0.5 /∣3x+8

Knowing that x approaches 2, plug 2 into the new inequality, and we can get:

δ = 0.5 /∣3*2+8∣

=> δ = 0.5 / 14

=> δ = 0.0357

This was so much easier to understand than John's answer. Thank you!

William Owens - 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Kairav Thakkar
Mar 6, 2018

Delta should be less than epsilon. Here three options satisfy and as the question demands the largest among the three, we have 0.03.

That is not true in general. Look at the function f ( x ) = x / 2 f(x)=x/2 and the point c = 2 c = 2 . For ϵ = 1 \epsilon = 1 the largest delta is δ = 2 \delta = 2 .

Michael B - 3 years, 3 months ago

Also here epsilon is 0.5 and the highest delta option is 0.05 therefore all delta options are less than epsilon in this particular question.

Erik Bentham - 1 year, 7 months ago
Chhon Malirun
Aug 27, 2019

We have f ( x ) 17 < 0.5 |f(x)-17|<0.5

3 x 2 + 2 x 16 < 0.5 |3x^2+2x-16|<0.5

( x 2 ) ( 3 x + 8 < 0.5 |(x-2)(3x+8|<0.5

As x x approaches 2 2 , then 1 < x < 3 1<x<3

3 < 3 x < 9 3<3x<9

11 < 3 x + 8 < 17 11<3x+8<17

Then 3 x + 8 < 17 |3x+8|<17 ........(i)

And x 2 < δ |x-2|<\delta ........(ii)

We get x 2 3 x + 6 < 17 δ = ϵ = 0.5 |x-2||3x+6|<17 \delta =\epsilon =0.5

So δ = 0.5 17 = 0.029411764705882 \delta =\frac{0.5}{17}=0.029411764705882

By rounding this number we get δ = 0.03 \delta=0.03 is the answer.

The highest possible delta is slightly above 0.03, as the other person worked out, so something must have gone wrong there. In my case I just plugged in x = 2.03 to the equation and found y = 17.447, then deduced that since the upper side has a larger gradient and is so close to 17.5 I doubt 0.05 would work, therefore 0.03 must be the answer. Although the best/ideal way is to use algebra since that finds the actual maximum delta.

Erik Bentham - 1 year, 7 months ago
Luke Yoo
Jul 20, 2018

I am lazy so to solve by mental computation, I started with L = 17.5 I used the root formula that I got sqrt(202) at the sqrt (b^2 - 4ac) part to get x. I found that I should approximate so I tried 14^2 =196 to compare sqrt(202). So you can make sqrt(202) equals f(196+6) to use linear approximation for the sqrt part. So you approximate sqrt(202) to 1/(2sqrt(196))*6+14) which is 3/14+14 Back to the root formula, (12+3/14)/6. Is 12/6 + 1/28. Since I wanted to get delta and I have 2 as the first term of x from L, 1/28 is approximation of the answer. 1/28 is 0.03something something...

So 0.03 was reasonable

Emmanuel Boateng
Feb 1, 2018

|3x^2 + 2x + 1 - 17| < .5 |3x^2 +2x -16| <.5 |(3x + 8)| |(x - 2)| < .5 divide both sides by |3x + 8| substitute x with c (2)

Muhamad Fikri
Dec 14, 2020

f(x)=3x^2 +2x+1

d f d x \frac{df}{dx} = 6x + 2

df = (6x + 2)*dx

0.5 = (6 * 2 + 2) * dx (become more accurate if dx approaches 0, and we know that dx is very small)

dx = 0.5/14

dx = 0.035714...

so we got 0.3

sorry I'm still learning english

Is this method always valid?

Hamza Nadeem - 5 months, 3 weeks ago

well, I think as long as the change in input(the value of x) is very small, this method would give a pretty accurate answer, and it's valid, cause again, differentiation is the ratio between change of output and change of input, when the change of input approaches zero

Muhamad Fikri - 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I also used this method since I was too lazy to find the solution using the quadratic formula, but its kind of circular logic, using derivatives to prove a limit.

Shudhesh Velusamy - 5 days, 1 hour ago

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