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Algebra Level 5

{ x 2 + y 2 = 16 z 2 + t 2 = 25 x t y z = 20 \large \begin{cases} {x^2 + y^2 =16 } \\ {z^2 + t^2 = 25} \\ { xt - yz = 20} \end{cases}

If real numbers t , x , y , z t , x , y , z satisfy the system of equations above, find the maximum value of P = x z P = xz .


The answer is 10.

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14 solutions

Hassan Raza
Jul 28, 2014

Let x = 4 s i n A , y = 4 c o s A x= 4sinA, y= 4cosA . z = 5 s i n B , t = 5 c o s B z=5sinB, t= 5cosB .

x t y z = 20 ( s i n ( B A ) ) xt-yz=20(sin(B-A)) .

B A = 90 B-A=90 .

P = x z = 20 c o s A c o s B = 10 s i n 2 B P= xz= 20cosAcosB = 10sin2B .

M a x : 10 Max: 10 .

Nice One..!!

Siddhant Puranik - 6 years, 9 months ago

Simple and best!

Sagnik Saha - 6 years, 10 months ago

Liked it man congrats

Sampurno Chatterjee - 6 years, 10 months ago

not dat I understood shit but compared to the others this was so short and so good :) gratz

Саревски Симон - 6 years, 10 months ago

Best solution

jitendra kumar - 6 years, 10 months ago

WOW! I really wonder about this!

Richard Rodriguez - 6 years, 10 months ago

I love this solution! It is so simple and elegant.

Fredrick Prueter - 5 years, 1 month ago
David Vaccaro
Jul 23, 2014

Solution 1 (Geometric)

1 2 ( x t y z ) \frac{1}{2}(xt-yz) is the area of the triangle with vertices ( 0 , 0 ) , ( x , y ) , ( z , t ) (0,0),(x,y),(z,t) . But since ( x , y ) (x,y) lies on a circle with radius 4 and ( z , t ) (z,t) lies on a circle with radius 5, this area is less than or equal to 1 2 × 5 × 4 = 10 \frac{1}{2}\times 5 \times 4=10 with equality if ( x , y ) (x,y) and ( z , t ) (z,t) are perpendicular. We have equality so we can write x = 4 cos θ x=4\cos \theta and z = 5 sin θ z=-5\sin \theta and x z = 10 sin 2 θ x z=-10\sin 2\theta which has a maximum of 10.

Solution 2 (Algebraic)

Cauchy-Schwarz gives x t y z x 2 + y 2 z 2 + y 2 = 20 xt-yz\leq\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}\sqrt{z^{2}+y^{2}}=20 , since we have equality we have t = λ x , z = λ y t=\lambda x, z=-\lambda y and x z = z t λ x z=\frac{zt}{\lambda} . Substituting into z 2 + t 2 = 25 z^{2}+t^{2}=25 gives λ 2 = 25 16 \lambda^{2}=\frac{25}{16} and AM-GM gives z t 25 2 zt\leq\frac{25}{2} . It is easy to show from this that x z 10 xz\leq 10

In both cases we can obtain equality using the points ( x , y ) = ( 4 2 , 4 2 ) (x,y)=(\frac{4}{\sqrt{2}}, -\frac{4}{\sqrt{2}}) ( z , t ) = ( 5 2 , 5 2 ) (z,t)=(\frac{5}{\sqrt{2}},\frac{5}{\sqrt{2}})

Ah! I thought Cauchy-Schwarz would work but I found the geometric solution first which is more intuitive I think. Nice explanation!

Richard Polak - 6 years, 10 months ago

I thought according to basics that it is difficult to solve as basics say that number of variable should be equal to number of equation given . So can ayone solve my query if they understood what I meant to say ?

Deevy Patel - 6 years, 10 months ago

This is just an excelent solution.

Carlos David Nexans - 6 years, 10 months ago

Is there a direct formula for the area of a triangle or did you derive it and didn't show it here ? (how did you get that area of triangle formula) I mean, I calculated the area of the triangle and got the same formula but how did you get it directly ?

YASH DALMIA - 6 years, 9 months ago

Did by your geometry solution sir

Aakash Khandelwal - 5 years, 11 months ago

excellent solution sir.

Swapnil Kusumwal - 5 years, 7 months ago

You knew this.

Lu Chee Ket - 6 years, 10 months ago

you are all wrong and are solutions are nonsense.because: let xz=10 now we have three Variables and three equations . so we can solve for x.writing the long solvation is very time consuming but if you solve for x this polynomial will appear: 0.25x^4+0.02x^3+31.8x^2+1.28x+1024=0 or maybe you achieve another polynomial with different Coefficients but the same roots.and the roots of that polynomial are : x 1 = 0.42766+7.98856*i x 2 = 0.42766-7.98856 i x_3 = -0.46766+7.98632 i x_4 = -0.46766-7.98632*i yes you can see NONE OF THEM IS REAL THEY ARE ALL COMPLEX NUMBERS but the question says x is a real number (check it) by the way maximum is 0 what do you say to that ?

Amirhousein Yousefli - 6 years, 10 months ago

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You've made a mistake somewhere. Let x = 2 2 , y = 2 2 , z = t = 5 2 x = 2 \sqrt{2}, y = -2 \sqrt{2}, z = t = \frac{5}{\sqrt{2}} , and then x z = 10 xz = 10 and the three equations are satisfied.

Ariel Gershon - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Yeah dude sorry !

Amirhousein Yousefli - 6 years, 10 months ago
Dan Lawson
Jul 24, 2014

Let u = ( x , y ) \vec{u}=(x,y) and v = ( t , z ) \vec{v}=(t,-z) . Then the three given equations are u 2 = 16 v 2 = 25 u v = 20 \|\vec{u}\|^2=16 \\ \|\vec{v}\|^2=25 \\ \vec{u} \cdot \vec{v} = 20 Since 20 = u v = u v cos θ = 4 5 cos θ 20=\vec{u} \cdot \vec{v} = \|\vec{u}\|\|\vec{v}\| \cos \theta=4 \cdot 5 \cos \theta where θ \theta is the angle between the vectors, we have cos θ = 1 \cos \theta = 1 and the vectors are co-directional. That is, v = 5 4 u \vec{v}= \frac{5}{4}\vec{u} .

We are to find the maximum of P = x z = 5 4 x y P=xz=- \frac{5}{4} xy given that x x and y y are on the circle x 2 + y 2 = 16 x^2+y^2=16 . This will occur when x = y = ± 2 2 x=-y=\pm 2\sqrt{2} and P = 10 P=10 .

Great thinking. I did an algebraic solution.

Nishant Sharma - 6 years, 10 months ago

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please post that too

sam dave - 4 years, 2 months ago

It's easier and understandable from the above solutions

BIJESH LONGJAM - 6 years, 10 months ago
James Shi
Jul 24, 2014

This is my process, which may be a bit long due to unnecessary steps.

16 × 25 = 2 0 2 16 \times 25 = 20^2 so ( x 2 + y 2 ) ( z 2 + t 2 ) = ( x t y z ) 2 (x^2+y^2)(z^2+t^2) = (xt-yz)^2

Expanding gives ( x z ) 2 + ( x t ) 2 + ( y z ) 2 + ( y t ) 2 = ( x t ) 2 + ( y z ) 2 2 x y z t (xz)^2 + (xt)^2 + (yz)^2 + (yt)^2 = (xt)^2 + (yz)^2 - 2xyzt ( x z ) 2 + ( y t ) 2 = 2 x y z t (xz)^2 + (yt)^2 = -2xyzt

LHS is positive so RHS must be positive as well, so one or three of the variables are negative. Looking at x t y z = 20 xt-yz=20 , one of y , z y, z is negative and either both of x , t x, t are positive or negative, and flipping their signs won't change the equations so WLOG let both of them be positive. Flip the sign of the other negative variable to get x t + y z = 20 xt+yz=20 as the new third equation. The other two equations aren't affected. Now all variables are positive.

Using AM-GM on ( x z ) 2 + ( y t ) 2 2 \frac{(xz)^2 + (yt)^2}{2} gives ( x z ) 2 + ( y t ) 2 2 x y z t (xz)^2 + (yt)^2 \ge 2xyzt but it was given that ( x z ) 2 + ( y t ) 2 = 2 x y z t (xz)^2 + (yt)^2 = 2xyzt (negative sign was removed because of new equations) so ( x z ) 2 = ( y t ) 2 (xz)^2 = (yt)^2 due to equality and x z = y t xz = yt because both are positive.

Let x z = y t = a xz = yt = a . The first two equations gives x z + y t = 16 a \frac{x}{z} + \frac{y}{t} = \frac{16}{a} and z x + t y = 16 a \frac{z}{x} + \frac{t}{y} = \frac{16}{a} . Dividing the equations gives x y z t = 16 25 \frac{xy}{zt} = \frac{16}{25} (I found this by letting a = x z a = \frac{x}{z} and b = y t b = \frac{y}{t} ). Dividing a a from both sides of 25 x y = 16 z t 25xy = 16zt gives 25 x t = 16 t x 25\frac{x}{t} = 16\frac{t}{x} and 25 y z = 16 z y 25\frac{y}{z} = 16\frac{z}{y} or 5 x = 4 t 5x=4t and 5 y = 4 z 5y = 4z .

Using AM-GM on the first equation gives x y 8 xy \le 8 . Substituting y = 4 5 z y = \frac{4}{5}z gives x z 10 xz \le \boxed{10} .

like it method

Ngan Tran - 6 years, 10 months ago

I just did it the same way. :DI

Satyajit Mohanty - 5 years, 11 months ago

From Lagrange's identity; ( x 2 + y 2 ) ( z 2 + t 2 ) = ( x t y z ) 2 + ( x z + y t ) 2 (x^{2}+y^{2})(z^{2}+t^{2})=(xt-yz)^{2} + (xz+yt)^{2} .

Substituting we get x z + y t = 0 x z = y t xz+yt = 0 \rightarrow xz = -yt

From equation 1 and 2; using AM-GM we get

400 = ( x 2 + y 2 ) ( z 2 + t 2 ) 4 x 2 y 2 z 2 t 2 = 4 x y z t = 4 ( x z ) 2 = 4 ( x z ) 2 400 = (x^{2}+y^{2})(z^{2}+t^{2}) \geq 4\sqrt{x^{2}y^{2}z^{2}t^{2}} = 4|xyzt| = 4|-(xz)^{2}| = 4(xz)^{2}

Therefore, x z 10 xz \leq \boxed{10} ~~~

Very clean, thanks!

Carlos David Nexans - 6 years, 10 months ago

Yes AM-GM is the best way to get this!!

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 6 months ago
Ariel Gershon
Aug 2, 2014

I solved this using complex numbers.

From the first two equations, we have x + y i = 4 |x+yi| = 4 and t + z i = 5 |t+zi| = 5 . Therefore, 4 5 = ( x + y i ) ( t + z i ) = ( x t y z ) + ( x z + y t ) i = 20 + ( x z + y t ) i 4*5 = \left|(x+yi)(t+zi) \right| = |(xt-yz) + (xz+yt)i| = |20 + (xz+yt)i|

Thus, 20 + ( x z + y t ) i = 20 |20 + (xz+yt)i| = 20 . Therefore, we must have x z + y t = 0 xz+yt = 0 . Therefore, ( x + y i ) ( t + z i ) = 20 (x+yi)(t+zi) = 20 .

Since x + y i = 4 |x+yi| = 4 and t + z i = 5 |t+zi| = 5 , there must exist real numbers a , b a,b such that x + y i = 4 e i a x+yi = 4e^{ia} and t + z i = 5 e i b t+zi = 5e^{ib} . Their product is 20 e i ( a + b ) 20e^{i(a+b)} which must equal 20. Hence b = a b = -a . Using Euler's formula, we write x = 4 c o s ( a ) x = 4cos(a) and z = 5 s i n ( b ) = 5 s i n ( a ) z = 5sin(b) = -5sin(a) . Therefore x z = 20 c o s ( a ) s i n ( a ) = 10 s i n ( 2 a ) xz = -20cos(a)sin(a) = -10sin(2a) . This has a maximum value of 10 \boxed{10} .

I solved this using complex numbers.

Me too. Not identical to your method, but close enough that I don't see a need to post my solution.

Peter Byers - 6 years, 10 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Aug 11, 2014

Not by guessing,

x t = 20 + y z

Squaring both sides. With x^2 = 16 - y^2 and t^2 = 25 - z^2,

x^2 t^2 = 400 + 40 y z + y^2 z^2

=> (16 - y^2)(25 - z^2) = 400 + 40 y z + y^2 z^2

=> 400 - 25 y^2 - 16 z^2 + y^2 z^2 = 400 + 40 y z + y^2 z^2

=> 25 y^2 + 40 y z + 16 z^2 = 0

=> (5 y + 4 z)^2 = 0

=> z = (- 5/ 4) y

Since x = +/- sqrt(16 - y^2),

Maximum x z = (5/ 4) sqrt(16 y^2 - y^4);

Let f = 16 y^2 - y^4,

d f/ d y = 32 y - 4 y^3 and d^2 f/ d y^2 = 32 - 12 y^2

d f / d y = 0 => y^2 = 8 where d^2 f/ d y^2 = -64 < 0 {Indicates a maximum}

Maximum x z = (5/ 4) sqrt(16 x 8 - 64) = 10 where

[t, x, y, z] = [5/ sqrt(2), 2 sqrt(2), - 2 sqrt(2), 5/ sqrt(2)] OR [- 5/ sqrt(2), - 2 sqrt(2), 2 sqrt(2), - 5/ sqrt(2)] which satisfies 3 initial equations.

Jack Lam
Jul 28, 2014

My solution got me the correct answer but I don't know why it works... make x^2=y^2, z^2=t^2, then we have (25/2)^(1/2) and 8^(1/2), when multiplied, gives 10.

it only works because they happen to be equal. The first two equations are circle equations. It just so happens that the maximum is where the angle is 45 degrees aka x & y are equal. But you shouldn't rely on that as a given.

Daniel Bachelis - 4 years, 6 months ago
Akash Chatterjee
Jul 23, 2014

I have a simplistic solution, which gave me the correct answer, but it might be incorrect, since I did not even need the 3rd equation. So how I solved this was:

X^{2} + Y^{2} =16 ---- (1) Perform partial differentiation to this, to get: 2X+2Y=0. Equate the left hand side to 0, to arrive at Y = -X. Substitute this in equation (1), and solve for X. We get X = 2 multiplied by Root of 2. This is the maximum value of X.

Perform similarly for z^{2} + t^{2} =25, solve for z, to arrive at the maximum value of z as 5 / Root of 2.

Multiply these two maximum values of x and z:

{2 . (Root of 2 )} multiplied by { 5 / Root of 2 } We get 10.

This isn't quite right, as the maxima of x 2 + y 2 = 16 x^2 + y^2 = 16 is actually ( 4 , 0 ) (4,0) and ( 0 , 4 ) (0,4) respectively, and the maxima of z 2 + t 2 = 25 z^2 + t^2 = 25 is ( 5 , 0 ) (5,0) and ( 0 , 5 ) (0,5) respectively, as these are both circle equations.

Your result might just be coincidence.

Jonathan Nogueira - 6 years, 10 months ago

Without the third equation, the maximum of x z xz is achieved when ( x , y , z , t ) = ( 4 , 0 , 5 , 0 ) (x,y,z,t)=(4,0,5,0) and the max is 20.

Dan Lawson - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Dawn ur these solutions are not satisfying the equation xt-yz=20

Mandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 10 months ago

Their is only way to solve this question,any easy way to solve this question.

Abdul Faiyad - 6 years, 10 months ago

Very clean too!

Carlos David Nexans - 6 years, 10 months ago

What you have started with is not partial differentiation. If you take a total derivative or perform implicit differentiation you find 2 x + 2 y d y d x = 0 2x + 2y{dy \over dx}= 0 so above you are implicitly assuming d y / d x = 1 dy/dx = 1 . The circle x 2 + y 2 = 16 x^2 + y^2 = 16 has only the two points ( 2 2 , 2 2 ) , ( 2 2 , 2 2 ) (2\sqrt{2},-2\sqrt{2}), ~~ (-2\sqrt{2},2\sqrt{2}) which obey this, and similarly for the z z and t t variables. It was just lucky for you that the solution to the problem is achieved for x x and z z at these special points!

Try to solve the problem again with the final equation replaced by x t y z = 10 xt - yz = 10 and you'll see the necessity of that third constraint.

Mathew Titus - 6 years, 9 months ago
Bob Hemajabalobin
Jul 22, 2014

I got that x z 41 / 4 xz \leq 41/4 . Here's my work... Notice how 16,25,and 20 have a relationship: 16 × 25 = 20 \sqrt{16} \times \sqrt{25}=20 Therefore, we can combine these three equations into x 2 + y 2 z 2 + t 2 = x t y z \sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}} \sqrt{z^{2}+t^{2}}=xt-yz Simplifying gives x 2 z 2 + 2 x z y t + y 2 t 2 = 0 x^{2}z^{2}+2xzyt+y^{2}t^{2}=0 -> x z + y t = 0 xz+yt=0 Now we add the first two equations together. Using our previous finding and factoring the difference of squares we get ( x + z 41 ) ( x + z + 41 ) = ( y z ) 2 (x+z-\sqrt{41})(x+z+\sqrt{41})=-(y-z)^{2} Since the right side is negative, the only way for this equation to be true is if 41 x + z 41 -\sqrt{41} \leq x+z \leq \sqrt{41} For xz to be maximized, we look at the cases x + z = 41 x+z=\sqrt{41} and x + z = 41 x+z=-\sqrt{41} . It is pretty easy to see that that they will both yield the same maximum value of xz since the xs and zs yielding the maximum value of xz in each case will just be negatives of each other. Therefore, we can just look at x + z = 41 x+z=\sqrt{41} and assume that x x and z z are non-negative real numbers to use AM-GM. x z x + z 2 \sqrt{xz} \leq \frac{x+z}{2} -> x z 41 2 \sqrt{xz} \leq \frac{\sqrt{41}}{2} -> x z 41 / 4 xz \leq 41/4

Trigonometry will be easier here.. x = 4 cos α ; y = 4 sin α x=4 \cos \alpha ; y=4 \sin \alpha

z = 5 cos β ; t = 5 sin β z=5 \cos \beta ; t=5 \sin \beta

x t y z = 20 xt-yz=20 20 ( sin β cos α cos β sin α ) = 20 \Rightarrow 20(\sin \beta \cos \alpha - \cos \beta \sin \alpha)=20 sin ( β α ) = 1 \Rightarrow \sin (\beta - \alpha)=1

β α = π 2 \Rightarrow \beta - \alpha = \frac{π}{2}

P = x z P=xz P = 20 cos α cos β = 20 sin β cos β = 10 sin 2 β \Rightarrow P=20 \cos \alpha \cos \beta=20 \sin \beta \cos \beta = 10 \sin 2\beta whose max value is 10!

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Well done pranjal.Great method

Pritiranjan Dwibedy - 6 years, 10 months ago

May I ask why cos a = sin B ? thnks

Joevanie Canete Jr. - 6 years, 10 months ago

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since, b=a+90 >cos(b)=cos(a+90)=-sina >P=-20sin(a)cos(a)=-10sin(2a) >Pmax=-10(-1)=10

Sachin Kumar - 6 years, 9 months ago

Yes Pranjal. That's how it is supposed to be solved :D

Priyansh Sangule - 6 years, 10 months ago

I solved it the same way.

Shreyash S - 6 years, 10 months ago

the two equation represents a circle . applying their parametric form you will get relation between their eccentric angles . using this relation maximize the third equation by differentiating it. youll get 10

huge wolverine - 6 years, 10 months ago

Same method Pranjal.

Sal Gard - 4 years, 11 months ago

I suggest you double-enter your text to separate sentences for more clarity. Otherwise it looks like a giant block of text (sort of like an essay without paragraphs).

John M. - 6 years, 10 months ago
Rushikesh Jogdand
Jun 26, 2016

I think I found simple algebra in it.

eq. 1 × \times eq. 2 \Rightarrow x 2 z 2 + y 2 t 2 + x 2 t 2 + y 2 t 2 = 400 ( 4 ) x^{2}z^{2}+y^{2}t^{2}+x^{2}t^{2}+y^{2}t^{2}=400 \quad \cdots (4) squaring eq. 3 \Rightarrow x 2 t 2 + y 2 z 2 2 x y z t = 400 ( 5 ) x^{2}t^{2}+y^{2}z^{2}-2xyzt=400 \quad \cdots (5) ( 4 ) ( 5 ) (4)-(5)\Rightarrow x 2 z 2 + y 2 t 2 + 2 x y z t = 0 x^{2}z^{2}+y^{2}t^{2}+2xyzt=0 x z + y t = 0 \Rightarrow xz+yt=0 x z = y t \Rightarrow \boxed{xz=-yt} Also from (1) and (2) we've got y = 16 x 2 y=\sqrt{16-x^2} and t = 25 t 2 t=\sqrt{25-t^2}
x 2 z 2 = y 2 t 2 = 400 25 x 2 16 z 2 + x 2 z 2 \therefore x^{2}z^{2}=y^{2}t^{2}=400-25x^{2}-16z^{2}+x^{2}z^{2} ( 5 x ) 2 + ( 4 z ) 2 = 2 0 2 \Rightarrow (5x)^{2}+(4z)^{2}=20^2 z = 5 16 x 2 4 \therefore z=\frac{5\sqrt{16-x^2}}{4} x z = 5 4 × x 2 ( 16 x 2 ) = 64 ( x + 8 ) 2 \therefore xz=\frac{5}{4}\times\sqrt{x^{2}(16-x^{2})=64-(x+8)^{2}} max ( x z ) = 10 \Rightarrow\boxed{\text{max}(xz)=10}

Anurag Singh
May 20, 2016

Well....we could try to put all variables depended upon a particular parameter....and get an equation whose maximum value is required.....well to put it in simpler words....consider x=4cos(k) y=-4sin(k), Z=5sin(k) and and t=5cos(k)...these paramteric substitution satisfy all the given three equations...and we need to maximize P=20 sin(k)cos(k)....which should be a piece of cake....sorry for the dull solution though.... I hope it helps

Amrit Anand
Mar 20, 2015

take complex no. method let H = x+iy and G=z-it Use these modulus{H+G}< mod{H}+mod{G}...............................................1 HG={xz+yt}+i{yz-xt}.............................2 just use above eq.

From 1st and 2nd equations we get:-
4 x , y 4................ 5 t , z 5. T o s a t i s f y e q u a t i o n 3...... ( x , y , z , t ) = ( 4 , 00 , 5 ) o r = ( 0 , 4 , 5 , 0 ) w h e n P = 0. -4\le x,y \le 4................ -5\le t,z \le 5.\\To ~satisfy~equation~3......\\ (x,y,z,t) =(4,00,5) ~~or~~=(0,4,5,0)~~when ~~P= 0.\\
To obtain extreme values, we can create symetray by....
x 2 = y 2 a n d t 2 = z 2 a n d t o s a t i s f y 3 r d e q u a t i o n w e l e t y = x . T h e n ( x , y , z , t ) = ( 2 2 , 2 2 , 5 / 2 , 5 / 2 ) a n d P = 10. x^2 = y^2~~and~~t^2=z^2 ~~and~to ~satisfy~3rd~equation \\ we~let~~y=-x. \\Then~~(x,y,z,t) =(2*\sqrt2, 2*\sqrt2,~ 5/ \sqrt2, ~5/ \sqrt2)~~and~~ P=10. \\ ~~\\
{ I am not satisfied with my arguments. Can any one improve ?}



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