Three points are chosen at random on the circumference of a circle with radius 1. Find the expected value , v , of the area of the triangle formed by the three points.
If v = b π a , where a and b are coprime positive integers, submit a + b .
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I used the fact that the area A can be represented as A = 4 R a b c where R is the circumradius of the triangle with sides a , b , c . Since the circumradius is 1 , A = 4 a b c .
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Interesting. So did you calculate the expected value of each side?
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Not really, I did a double integral as well on the value of each side.
There will be some triangles where point C = ( 1 , 0 ) then how will u solve this ?
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Like I said, you can rotate the triangle so that one of the vertices is at ( 1 , 0 ) . This doesn't change anything about the triangle except the orientation, and that way you only need to deal with 2 variables instead of 3.
Without rotation, let's say C = ( cos ( c ) , sin ( c ) ) , and the formula for the area would be 2 ∣ sin ( b − a ) + sin ( c − b ) + sin ( a − c ) ∣ . Then you can still turn it into 2 variables by letting x = b − a and y = c − a . Then the formula becomes: 2 ∣ sin ( x ) + sin ( y − x ) − sin ( y ) ∣ . Essentially the same formula as the one I used in my solution.
I guessed 5 and got it right first try (somehow), then looked at this explanation and my mind exploded.
I did this by considering the two cases where the other two points (i.e. other than (1,0) ) are on the 'same side' or 'different sides' of the line y=0. It turns out that the expected area given 'opposite sides' is 2/pi (this is quite easy, you calculate the expected value of the area of two triangles (sin x)/2, over a uniform distribution on [0,pi] and take off a third triangle which has expected area 0.) The 'same side' case is a bit trickier because you have to calculate the expected areas of three triangles over triangular distributions (arising from min, max, and absolute differences of the uniform distribution on [0,pi]) but turns out two of the contributions cancel and the expected area in this case is 1/pi. So the final answer is the average (because the two cases are equally likely) of 2/pi and 1/pi, which is 3/(2*pi). I confess I've never come across the shoelace formula before.
Knew the area was < or = 1 So I guessed the first 2 co-primes 2+3 Took 10 seconds If I was wrong I still had 2 tries.
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Did you see my comment on the prior puzzle? VW rules!!!!
As the co-primes had to be small, like others below i got it right within the 3 tries allowed
How do you know the sum of these coprime numbers must be "small"?
Maybe you should seriously think about taking a lottery ticket....you are wasting your time here...😆
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Let's position the circle so that its centre is at the origin. Let's assume that one of the points is at C = ( 1 , 0 ) , since we can always rotate the triangle to make this true.
Let the other two points be represented by A = ( cos ( a ) , sin ( a ) ) , B = ( cos ( b ) , sin ( b ) ) where 0 ≤ a , b < 2 π . Using the Shoelace Formula, the area of △ A B C is: f ( a , b ) = 2 ∣ sin ( a ) + sin ( b ) cos ( a ) − sin ( a ) cos ( b ) − sin ( b ) ∣ = 2 ∣ sin ( a ) + sin ( b − a ) − sin ( b ) ∣ We can use some trigonometric manipulation to show that sin ( a ) + sin ( b − a ) − sin ( b ) = 4 sin ( 2 b − a ) sin ( 2 a ) sin ( 2 b ) . Hence sin ( a ) + sin ( b − a ) − sin ( b ) ≥ 0 when b ≥ a and vice versa.
To calculate the expected value, I am going to use the formula v = ( 2 π 1 ) 2 ∫ 0 2 π ∫ 0 2 π f ( a , b ) d b d a . I will calculate the inside integral first: F ( a ) = = = = = ∫ 0 2 π f ( a , b ) d b ∫ 0 a 2 sin ( b ) + sin ( a − b ) − sin ( a ) d b + ∫ a 2 π 2 sin ( a ) + sin ( b − a ) − sin ( b ) d b 2 − cos ( b ) + cos ( b − a ) − b sin ( a ) ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ 0 a + 2 b sin ( a ) − cos ( b − a ) + cos ( b ) ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ a 2 π 2 − cos ( a ) + 1 − a sin ( a ) − ( 2 − 1 + cos ( a ) ) + 2 2 π sin ( a ) − cos ( a ) + 1 − ( 2 a sin ( a ) − 1 + cos ( a ) ) 2 − 2 cos ( a ) − a sin ( a ) + π sin ( a )
Now plug in this formula to the double integral:
v = = = = = 4 π 2 1 ∫ 0 2 π ∫ 0 2 π f ( a , b ) d b d a 4 π 2 1 ∫ 0 2 π ( 2 − 2 cos ( a ) − a sin ( a ) + π sin ( a ) ) d a 4 π 2 1 ( 2 a − 2 sin ( a ) + a cos ( a ) − sin ( a ) − π cos ( a ) ) ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ 0 2 π 4 π 2 1 ( 6 π ) 2 π 3